Geometric Arguments for Z1-Z2 in Complex Plane

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The discussion revolves around providing geometric arguments for specific expressions involving complex numbers in the complex plane. Participants explore the geometric interpretations of the equations |z-4i| + |z+4i|=10 and |z-1|=|z+i|, aiming to clarify what constitutes a sufficient geometric argument.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that |z1-z2| represents the distance between two points in the complex plane and seeks clarification on what constitutes a geometric argument.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the expression in terms of distance and comparing it to the geometric definition of an ellipse.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes using the definition of the modulus of a complex number, |z|= sqrt(x**2+y**2), to derive the geometric properties rigorously.
  • One participant argues that the expression |z+4i| + |z-4i| = 10 directly defines an ellipse and challenges the notion that their approach is less rigorous.
  • Another participant notes the importance of algebraic arguments in demonstrating properties of geometric figures under transformations, while acknowledging that "hand waving" is too dismissive of the argument's validity.
  • A later reply asserts that the total distance from z to the points 4i and -4i being constant is indeed the definition of an ellipse, suggesting this is the intended solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the rigor of geometric arguments versus algebraic approaches. While some agree on the definition of an ellipse, others contest the sufficiency of certain arguments presented.

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Participants reference the need for clarity in definitions and the potential for misunderstanding in geometric versus algebraic reasoning. There are unresolved questions regarding the adequacy of the proposed arguments.

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This discussion may be useful for students and educators in mathematics and physics, particularly those interested in the geometric interpretation of complex numbers and the definitions of conic sections.

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I am told that |z1-z2| is the distance between two points z1 and z2 in the complex plane. I have to give a geometric argument that

a) |z-4i| + |z+4i|=10 represents an ellipse whose foci are (0, and positive or negative 4)

b)|z-1|=|z+i| represents the line through the origin whose slope is -1

Now my question is what exactly is a geometric argument, and what is sufficient in showing what I am told to show?
 
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Rewrite the given expression using the language where |z1 - z2| is replaced by the words, "the distance between z1 and z2."

a) Compare the statement this generates with the geometrical definition of an ellipse.

b) Recall the locus that is found to be a perpendicular bisector.
 
alternatively use the fact that (rather than hand waving arguments) |z|= sqrt(x**2+y**2) where z=x+iy is a complex number, x,y real.
 
matt grime said:
alternatively use the fact that (rather than hand waving arguments) |z|= sqrt(x**2+y**2) where z=x+iy is a complex number, x,y real.

|z+4i| + |z-4i| = 10 means that the locus of z is the set of points each of whose sum of distances from two fixed points (4i, -4i) is a constant (=10). Is this not just the same as showing that (x,y) satisfy (x/a)^2 + (y/b)^2 = 1. I don't see how it is any less rigorous, and definitely disagree with your description of it as hand waving. tell me where I'm wrong.
 
when you get round to demonstrating that circles and straight lines are sent to circles and straight lines under mobius transformations you'll appreciate the necessity of the algebraic arguments, though i will agree hand waving is too dismissive.
 
From the way the original question was phrased: "give a geometric argument that

a) |z-4i| + |z+4i|=10 represents an ellipse whose foci are (0, and positive or negative 4)"

it's clear (to me, anyway!) that Gokul43201's idea: |z-4i|+ |z+4i|= 10 means that the total distance from z to 4i and -4i is 10: precisely the definition of ellipse, is the intended solution.
 

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