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Effectiveness of homeopathic remedies

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ananthu
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Jul11-09, 02:53 AM
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What are you talking about? Do you even know what any of that means? You just threw a bunch of sciencey terms together and hit submit I think.
I am afraid that your tone of replying is a bit harsh, unrefined and quite annoying. This is only the forum to share views of people. I don't know what homeopathy has to do with physics forum at all. I think it is highly irresponsible to belittle an alternate form of a world renowned medical system developed by a genius Dr. Hahneman, who himself was an allopath earlier. When people all over my area were suffering from the deadly disease “chickengunia’ and took the allopathic antibiotics and costly painkillers and recovered from "chickengunia" but continued to suffer from new side effects such as irreparable back pain for more than a year, a three-dose homeopathic preventive medicine kept away our entire family and friends from the attack the disease itself. When I was suffering from some serious urinary problem a few years back, I was foot-balled from one specialist to another, making me under go all costly diagnostic tests one after another for nearly six months without giving any treatment at all. Finally they simply told me that they could not find any thing abnormal in me and all my system is clinically alright. I spent nearly ten thousand rupees with these modern medical stalwarts and at the end of the ordeal I was simply left with the same suffering as at the beginning. Then only a leading homeopath came to my rescue and he prescribed the medicine "Sabal sarrulata" for a six months simply based on symptoms, I suffered and whether You believe or not, I was completely cured of my problems and leading a healthy life till today.
George Bernard Shaw hailed homeopathy in the preface of one of his plays. Mahatma Gandhi was a great admirer of this system of medicine. In India, in the two Marxist ruled states Kerala and West Bengal homeopathy is encouraged as a people's medicine by the state governments themselves. I have practically experienced myself that a single dose of "Phodophylum-30" immediately stops diarrhea without collapsing the stomach, "calendula" in no time heals wounds caused by the cuts without any trace of scar. What about the wonderful healing power of the drug "cantharis" in dealing with the burns caused by the fires.
Reality speaks. Proof comes always later. You can't kill a patient, just because each medicine does not carry a mathematical proof tied around its neck.
When Volta dipped two dissimilar metals, say, copper and zinc in dilute sulphuric acid, and observed the flow of current when connected externally, in the early nineteenth century, no body could explain the phenomenon. They knew nothing about electrons at that time.
Explanation came only in the latter half of the twentieth century. Even now, many physical and chemical phenomenons has not been fully understood and explained. Physicists are yet to explain convincingly as to why certain metals exhibit positive Thomson effect and certain others negative Thomson effect.
A patient demands only cure, not an explanation. Explanation is the headache of the academic pundits and theory-sticking puritans.
I am not adamantly for any particular form medicinal system. What I want to stress that every medicinal system has its merits and demerits and their limitations. When one system ends another system begins.
When you argue that a substance without "even a molecule of medicine" can not protect a patient, with the same line you can argue that a substance that contains over dose of hazardous chemicals and others could permanently damage the immune system of a patient beyond repair. How many antibiotics had been prescribed earlier in massive scale and later on hurriedly withdrawn or banned at a later stage, after some body proves against them in some international conference of doctors some where? What about the plight of the patients to whom the same medicines had been administered by these same experts earlier?
What about the irreversible damage that was caused to them? Can those poor patients sue these expert-try doctors for playing havoc in their lives for trying these new drugs without testing their side effects?
Finally, let any discussion by healthy, decent and intellectual without bias.
I am a physics teacher and very well know the meaning of the scientific terms I used. Perhaps the said member could not correctly catch the context in which I used those terms!
ananthu
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Jul11-09, 02:58 AM
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Sorry, by mistake my same reply has appeared three times. Kindly bear with me. Please take
only one reply and ignore the repetitions. As there was some problems in the display of my computer. I had to upload my reply three times.
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Jul11-09, 08:45 AM
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What are you talking about? Do you even know what any of that means? You just threw a bunch of sciencey terms together and hit submit I think.
I am afraid that your tone of replying is a bit harsh, unrefined and quite annoying. This is only the forum to share views of people. I don't know what homeopathy has to do with physics forum at all.
You made a specific claim about homeopathic remedies; Pengwuino doubts your claim. I also think it sounds like you just threw sciency-sounding words together. Perhaps you'd like to explain yourself?

Your claims:
1. homeopathy really works.
2. But macro level science can not explain the truthfulness of the homeopathy.
3. nano technology or quantum physics can exlain [homeopathy].

Quote Quote by ananthu View Post
I think it is highly irresponsible to belittle an alternate form of a world- renowned medical system developed by a genius Dr. Hahneman
Science has advanced dramatically in the 160+ years since Dr. Hahnemann died, don't you think?

Hahnemann, like Freud, is famous for coming to conclusions with little or no testing.
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Jul11-09, 02:15 PM
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They have been tested and they hold no water.
Did you intend that wording given that all they truly do is hold water?

I'm interested in anthanu's claim that some homeopathic "remedy" "cures diarrhea without collapsing the stomach". I didn't realise that was a hazard with other remedies.

At any rate, it matters not the load of anecdotal evidence. Reproduce the effects by testing using control groups and etc. and then you have acceptable truth.

It may very well be, anthanu that homeopathy is so well respected where you live that the placebo effect is powerful and proliferates. That's the best I can figure.
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Jul11-09, 05:31 PM
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Let's see, so someone, who by their own admission was diagnosed as not having anything actually wrong with them takes a placebo for six months and eventually starts to feel better. There actually is a diagnosis for that in modern medicine. It's called hypochondria.

And, the other claim is someone got sick, took their antibiotics, had some lingering symptoms that probably would have gone away eventually anyway (the antibiotics kill the bacteria, but it can take some time for the toxins produced by the bacteria to be cleared up after, as well as some time for any damaged tissues to heal once the infection is stopped), but because during that time after the antibiotics were stopped and before all the symptoms cleared up you drank some water with a funny name, that's supposed to mean something?

And the other claim that because other people took some snake oil remedy when someone else got sick and they didn't get sick too...*sigh* This is why snake oil salesmen could make so much money.
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Jul11-09, 07:52 PM
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For a debunking of this type of stuff, see Trick or Treatment: The Undeniable Facts about Alternative Medicine by Edzard Ernst Simon Singh,

http://www.amazon.com/Trick-Treatmen...7359693&sr=8-2.
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Jul11-09, 09:04 PM
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According to Wiki (hanging head in shame!) 30C was the dilution advocated by Hahnemann for most purposes: on average, this would require giving two billion doses per second to six billion people for 4 billion years to deliver a single molecule of the original material to any patient.

Is there any scientific or medical justification for believing this junk? This "field" was developed in the 1700s when people thought that they should pay barbers to cut them and let out "bad humours" to cure their illnesses. Let's catch a clue, folks.
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Quote Quote by GeorginaS View Post
Did you intend that wording given that all they truly do is hold water?
Yes, and it is nice that someone else gets my little jokes.
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Jul12-09, 12:39 AM
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Quote Quote by ananthu View Post
I don't know what homeopathy has to do with physics forum at all.
First of all, we have people from all areas of science. Moonbear, for example, is a Ph.D. Biologist. We also have medical professionals ranging from physicians to radiation physicists. Beyond that, we don't need any professionals when there is no published information supporting a claim. If there is any current information found in mainstream journals supporting the claims of homeopaths, now is the time to post it because in the absence of any such documentation, the subject is to be closed permanently as "crackpot" when this discussion is concluded.

For our skeptics, additional scientific resources that help to debunk this subject would be appreciated. This thread will be used as a reference to justify closing the subject.
ananthu
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Jul12-09, 12:37 PM
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Friends, everything is fine! You have shown excellent solidarity in waging a virtual war against homoeopthy! But,What about the other age old medicinal systems such as indian ayurvedha,Siddha, Arabian Unani and Chinese acupuncture etc? Are they also fake according to you people? Is it that the modern allopathy is the only authentic saviour of the world?
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Jul12-09, 02:44 PM
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Is it that the modern allopathy is the only authentic saviour of the world?
I'm confident no one wrote that in this thread. Everyone's been dealing directly with homeopathic remedies.
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Quote Quote by ananthu View Post
Friends, everything is fine! You have shown excellent solidarity in waging a virtual war against homoeopthy! But,What about the other age old medicinal systems such as indian ayurvedha,Siddha, Arabian Unani and Chinese acupuncture etc? Are they also fake according to you people? Is it that the modern allopathy is the only authentic saviour of the world?
All that we ask is that someone provide published evidence [appropriate sources] that homeopathy works. IF no one can, then we have to conclude that there is no evidence. The tradition has certainly been around long enough for evidence to emerge by now that supports the claims.
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Jul12-09, 05:22 PM
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Friends, everything is fine! You have shown excellent solidarity in waging a virtual war against homoeopthy! But,What about the other age old medicinal systems such as indian ayurvedha,Siddha, Arabian Unani and Chinese acupuncture etc? Are they also fake according to you people? Is it that the modern allopathy is the only authentic saviour of the world?
If you knew anything about medicine, at all, you'd understand that the world of treatments is divided into two groups: medicine and quackery. There is no "alternative medicine." There is only what works and what doesn't. It doesn't matter if it's American, Chinese, or Klingon.

Homeopathy is something like Alchemy. People at the time had no idea how things worked, so they tried their best to explain it. We've learned a lot about how the body works and let's just say: "if a spritz of water and some good faith cured you, you probably were not all that sick."
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Jul15-09, 02:16 PM
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This is the last chance to present published evidence supporting the claims of homeopaths before the topic is banned.
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Jul15-09, 02:32 PM
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Wait Wait!! I've got it! http://www.interhomeopathy.org/index...urnal/cat/C58/

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Quote Quote by robertm View Post
I'm afraid that source is not listed in our master journal list.
http://science.thomsonreuters.com/
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Jul16-09, 08:30 AM
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Your discussion on homeopathy is laughable!

You still don't know what homeopathy means and what it is to be homeopathic.

I have seen very serious disease cured with homeopathy.

While you guys are popping prevacid I had my reflux cured with homoepathy.

While you down tons of dangerous antibiotics into your children I have cured every infection my kids had with homeopathy once I learned, including a very serious one that the doc said would take a long trail of antibioitics and steroids to over come, and that was after 6 rounds of antibiotics that had failed to work.

A dear friend had a parasitic disease acquired in Israel cured by homeopathy in just a couple of days while the medical doctors did nothing for him for 4 years!

My sons scoliosis was cured, thats curvature of the spine documented with x ray due to homeopathy. He never received any other treatment.

My neighbor comes to me for homeopathic care for broken bones. He has broken two bones in the last couple of years. Homeopathy is better for pain relief of broken bones than narcotics.

I treated a young woman with a very serious fracture to her foot. She had no money or insurance. The docs said she needed surgery. They put a brace on her leg and sent her home. She took remedies and continued to work on her feet, 12 hour shifts as a CNA. She was pain free with homeopathy. 4 weeks later she felt well enough to want to take the brace of. She went back to the doc and he took an xray. He couldn't believe it. It was well healed, this fracture they wanted to do surgery on...in FOUR WEEKS!

The very best homeopath I ever went to was head cardiologist as Texas Southwestern Medical School... a very serious and responsible man who was driven by results not magic or placebo effect.

You sit around and criticize what you know not know and you think your so dam smart. For those who use homeopathy you look just like dam fools.
If you have documented evidence of those cures, you can win 1 million dollars from the James Randi Foundation.
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/...plication.html
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If you have documented evidence of those cures, you can win 1 million dollars from the James Randi Foundation.
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/...plication.html
Randi lists homeopathy in his challenge?


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