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#73
Jan2910, 09:42 PM

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Or more tothepoint: our current evidence seems to suggest that, at one time, it wasn't. 


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As of right now, we don't even have a fullydeveloped mathematical structure that might conceivably be a theory of everything. 


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Go back to newai's post and insert whichever one suits you. 


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If we are talking about intent that is a whole 'nother ball of worms. 


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#88
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Gentlemen DaveC426913 & Chalnoth, couldn’t we settle all by (this layman logic):



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Jan3010, 11:56 AM

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However, the three of us (including you an newai) had been discussing creation as an effect of time, starting in post 72, which really had nothing at all to do with intent, nor had either of us used the "creation" word until you introduced it. 


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To prove that any mathematical theory is selfconsistent, you always need to use more powerful/more complicated theory. So the whole mathematics is based on the pure belief. The selfconsistency of Peano arithmetics is proven in ZF set theory. And I believe there are no proofs that ZF (or other set theory, there are many different :) ) are selfconsistent. 


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