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| Mar22-10, 07:53 PM | #1 |
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How to design a weird but comfortable planet
Hi all,
I'd like to write a story whose setting is a planet that is, on the one hand, hospitable to earth-like flora and fauna, while on the other hand being as different as possible from Earth in as many respects as possible. In other words, which parameters can I fiddle with without greatly affecting surface conditions. Not exactly a novel idea, per se - one might say one has to look hard for sci-fi in which extrasolar planets don't have an extra sun or moon or two... but I'd like to go a bit deeper than that, while approaching the matter as scientifically as possible. What I'm looking for are both new ideas and feedback on the ones I've come up with so far.
Okay, that's where I'm at, for now. TIA for any constructive replies! :) ETA: x-posted @ http://www.astronomyforum.net/genera...le-planet.html, http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/forums/t/45709.aspx |
| Mar22-10, 08:40 PM | #2 |
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Maybe you can try to modify those universal dimensionless constant such as the fine-structure constant?
![]() Keeping such constant the same, but slightly changing the parameters associated with it, like making the electrostatic charge stronger, at the same time increasing the speed of light. The constant remains unchanged, the world is still allowed to survive, but it won't be the same :) |
| Mar23-10, 12:22 AM | #3 |
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| Mar23-10, 12:39 AM | #4 |
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How to design a weird but comfortable planeti'm relatively certain it doesn't work that way, at least not for mild variations. actually, humans, especially in the ages under 30, prefer a 25 hour day. (i knew psych 105 would come in handy one day!) |
| Mar23-10, 10:18 AM | #5 |
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An exception might be creatures that habitually die of other factors than old age, in one form or another, like an insect species that mates a fixed number of days after hatching, with the males dying immediately afterwards. Again, though, I'd guess that one quickly reaches a point where some direct or indirect consequences of such a change become too major for the organism to adapt. |
| Mar23-10, 12:20 PM | #6 |
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| Mar23-10, 02:52 PM | #7 |
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I don't see any problems with adaptation to a somewhat longer day in that respect, staying awake for a week and then sleeping for a week shouldn't even require major physiological changes. In the other direction, things are more interesting IMO. It seems questionable that e.g. predators of Earth-like size could structure their life according to a 1-hour day, for example, because hunting is a complex activity that simply requires a certain minimal amount of time. And while smaller creatures would be able to live faster, higher organisms do require a certain minimal size. That's as far as my thinking went on this matter, anyway... |
| Feb18-12, 10:21 PM | #8 |
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The idea of a global winter and summer is interesting. I wonder though if the CO2 levels would make this difficult though.
Remember how Appollo 13 one of the big problems was the CO2 levels rising? It only takes around 1000 ppm CO2 I think for humans to start feely stuffy, I forget what the leathal dose is. When I ran some numbers myself, I was surprised how quickly the CO2 levels reach uncomfortable levels with a human in an enclosed envirnment. The figure I found gave 1 kg / person / day. Biosphere 2 also noted that the CO2 levels steadily rose during the night (photosynthesis stops but animal and human respiration continues) and then steadily dropped during the day as the plants caught back up. (Watch out for those cloudy days!) With a global winter, would you have a similar problem with less photosynthesis during the winter months? If the atmosphere was large compared to the plant & animal life, it could be a sufficent buffer. |
| Feb19-12, 07:14 PM | #9 |
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A figure-8 orbit around both stars of a binary system? Impractical. I once tried looking for one, but I could not find a stable one. The planet would either escape or orbit only one of the stars.
However, a planet's orbit will be stable if it is relatively close to one of the stars or relatively far from both. For the stars being separated by R and the planet's orbit size by r, then orbiting one star is stable if r <~ R/3, and orbiting both stars is stable if r >~ 3R. The weirdest environment that can nevertheless have an Earthlike planet is, I think, the planet being a satellite of a more massive planet, like a Jupiter-like planet. The planet will likely become tidally locked to it, with one side always facing it. This is what has happened for most of the larger planetary satellites in the Solar System, like the Earth's Moon. The planet will show phases, just as the Moon does from the Earth. If the planet has rings, then those rings will be seen edge-on, where they will make a thin line. However, the rings will cast shadows on the planet, and with thick enough rings and a large enough spin-orbit inclination, those shadows should be easily visible. The planet will eclipse the star, and the satellite might cast a visible shadow on the planet. The planet will likely have several satellites that are visible from this Earthlike satellite, making for some interesting celestial phenomena. |
| Feb20-12, 12:22 PM | #10 |
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Aanar and lpetrich thanks for your input but this thread is nearly two years old and thus too old to revive.
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| Feb20-12, 12:22 PM | #11 |
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