| New Reply |
The effect of voltage vs current intensity on human tissue |
Share Thread | Thread Tools |
| Feb25-11, 09:43 AM | #1 |
|
|
The effect of voltage vs current intensity on human tissue
Hello everyone,
I was lately thinking about how exactly do these two main electrical measures - current intensity and voltage - differ in describing the effects of electricity on human tissue (skin/muscle/brain etc). For example, I know that most of the time there are warnings of high voltages that might harm you, whereas you rarely see a safety limit given in Amperes (so as current intensity), and I don't really understand why. Isn't the flow of current what, after all, causes harm to tissue? And is that flow not best described by current intensity? Voltage being a difference in electrical potential of two spacially separated points, then, as I understand it, voltage has the potential (in the common sense of the word) to create a current, if the impedance between the two points is low enough - but again, isn't the current (the "effect") the one that has an impact on the tissue, rather than the voltage (which is, in a way, the "cause" of the current)? Given that the electrical resistance of dry human skin is (probably) relatively constant, shouldn't, then, a particular safety limit be able to be expressed both as a voltage and as a current, given that the two are mathematically related via the skin's resistance? If anyone could give a more informed opinion on this, or perhaps suggest where on PF this thread should be relocated, I would very much appreciate it - many thanks in advance. |
| Feb25-11, 08:41 PM | #2 |
|
|
The basic equations are E=IR and EI=P=energy/time. E (electromotive force)is measured in volts, I (current intensity) is measured in amperes (1 coulomb of electric charge per second), R is resistance and P is power. Multiplying volts by amps gives power in watts. 1 watt delivers one joule of energy per second. So the total work done is a function of the total energy delivered, measured in watts x seconds, but damage done to tissue is mostly a function of the rate of energy delivery or power.
|
| Mar1-11, 10:22 AM | #3 |
|
|
Hi, thanks for your reply. I'm still not clear, though, whether a safety limit should be expressed as a voltage or as a current, and how is a high voltage dangerous other than by creating the potential for a strong *current* to set in.
|
| Mar1-11, 12:08 PM | #4 |
|
|
The effect of voltage vs current intensity on human tissuehttp://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_3/4.html It should be emphasized R can be very variable and is hard to measure or estimate. E and I however are easily measured and controlled so that one can be held constant while other is allowed to vary. |
| Mar1-11, 02:04 PM | #5 |
|
|
Thanks, that article was really useful! However, even after reading it whole, I still have one question. I'll have to expand a bit on the reasons that prompted me to start this thread in the first place.
I had in mind the brain stimulation technique called Transcranial Direct Current Stimulation (tDCS), which is used by neuroscientists to modulate the excitability of neurons in certain parts of the cerebral cortex. With tDCS, two electrodes are connected to a human participant's scalp, over parts of the brain relevant to the study. The electrodes are connected to a current source that delivers a constant current (usually ~1mA) for a certain amount of time (about 20 minutes). The electrodes are soaked in saline solution to bring the impedance of the total circuit to the order of a few tens of kOhms. The tDCS stimulator (i.e. the current source) will not start delivering current if the impedance is above a certain threshold, which is by default 55 kOhms but that can be increased up to 100 kOhms. There is also an additional safety measure whereby the machine stops delivering current if the voltage required to produce the desired current exceeds a certain value. It's this bit that I don't understand -- since it's ultimately the *current* that we want not to exceed a certain limit, then why would it be dangerous to exceed a certain voltage, if there is enough resistance in the circuit to prevent too strong a current to flow? Obviously, high voltage means the potential for large amounts of current through the body, but even assuming the body resistance may sometimes drop unexpectedly, that still doesn’t mean that there will be a high current, because the stimulator (which, agan, is really just a source of constant current) instantly reduces the voltage, so as to keep the E/R ratio constant, i.e. to a safe ~1 mA. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this, thanks again! |
| Mar1-11, 02:54 PM | #6 |
|
|
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2270099/ |
| Mar1-11, 06:52 PM | #7 |
|
|
|
| Mar1-11, 10:10 PM | #8 |
|
|
|
| Mar2-11, 06:04 AM | #9 |
|
|
Yup, that makes sense. Thanks again for your help!
|
| Mar3-11, 08:34 AM | #10 |
|
|
As I recently discovered online, "current _is_ flow (of electrical charge)." One doesn't say that the flow flows, does he? One says, "we appear to be seeing a small, but measurable current. Therefore, the electrons are playing musical atoms (not unlike musical chairs) in the direction of the positive terminal on the power supply." (Electrons try to go where they are wanted. There is, of course, a surfeit of electrons towards the negative electrode, and a deficit, towards the positive.) You are correct, Wildetudor, that, when it comes to tissue being electrocuted - "It's the Volts that jolts, but it's the mills (as in milliamps) that kills." High Voltage warning signs should read, High Power. But some people don't know that Power can be dangerous (in the wrong hands). So, "High Voltage" gets the message across. To recap, the current intensity is the intensity of the flow of charge. One wants to have a very low voltage for safety purposes because a low resistance path (which can be shorted accidentally) creates potentially dangerous current. Nevertheless, it is not the voltage that offends (much). -Hrunting |
| New Reply |
| Thread Tools | |
Similar Threads for: The effect of voltage vs current intensity on human tissue
|
||||
| Thread | Forum | Replies | ||
| Photoelectric effect experimental data current vs. intensity vs frequency | Introductory Physics Homework | 16 | ||
| High-voltage low-amperage current through the human body | General Physics | 10 | ||
| human tissue attraction | Introductory Physics Homework | 2 | ||
| current to voltage conterter and voltage to current converter | Engineering, Comp Sci, & Technology Homework | 3 | ||
| Purification of proteins from human tissue, SDS_PAGE | Biology | 10 | ||