What is a Hamiltonian vector field in General Relativity?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Hamiltonian vector fields within the context of General Relativity and Hamiltonian mechanics. Participants seek clarification on the definition, representation, and physical significance of Hamiltonian vector fields, particularly for those with limited background in mechanics.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of Hamiltonian vector fields and requests a clear explanation of what it represents.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical formulation of Hamilton's equations and relates them to vector fields, suggesting that they indicate directions in phase space.
  • A participant without a mechanics background questions the physical representation of Hamiltonian vector fields, asking if they correspond to velocities and forces.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding mechanics before delving into General Relativity, suggesting that a solid foundation is necessary for comprehension.
  • One participant attempts to clarify that the Hamiltonian vector field indicates the direction of movement in phase space, referencing the mathematical structure provided in a previous post.

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There is no consensus on the understanding of Hamiltonian vector fields, as participants express varying levels of confusion and seek different types of clarification. Some participants emphasize the need for a background in mechanics, while others focus on the mathematical and physical interpretations.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the physical implications of Hamiltonian vector fields and the necessity of prior knowledge in mechanics to fully grasp the topic. The discussion includes references to mathematical formulations without resolving the underlying conceptual questions.

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I'm researching General Relativity and have stumbled upon a bit of Hamiltonian mechanics. I roughly understand the idea behind the Hamiltonian of a system, but I'm utterly confused as to what the hell a Hamiltonian vector field is. I've taken ODE's, PDE's, Linear Algebra, and I'm just being introduced to Differential Geometry so I can handle the math, but every article I read on this subject is entirely too abstract or jargon filled for me to understand. Can someone please explain to me what this vector field is and what it represents?
 
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unchained1978 said:
I'm researching General Relativity and have stumbled upon a bit of Hamiltonian mechanics. I roughly understand the idea behind the Hamiltonian of a system, but I'm utterly confused as to what the hell a Hamiltonian vector field is. I've taken ODE's, PDE's, Linear Algebra, and I'm just being introduced to Differential Geometry so I can handle the math, but every article I read on this subject is entirely too abstract or jargon filled for me to understand. Can someone please explain to me what this vector field is and what it represents?
Please look at the example in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamiltonian_vector_field and tell us what you don't understand.
 
When we're doing Hamiltonian mechanics we're in phase space and so have local coordinates q^i, p_i. What are Hamilton's equations? They're a 'list' of derivatives, and you could write it as:
<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> \dot{q}^1\\<br /> \dot{q}^2\\<br /> ...\\<br /> \dot{q}^n\\<br /> \dot{p}_1\\<br /> \dot{p}_2\\<br /> ...\\<br /> \dot{p}^n\\<br /> \end{pmatrix}=<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> \partial H/\partial p_1\\<br /> \partial H/\partial p_2\\<br /> ...\\<br /> \partial H/\partial p_n\\<br /> -\partial H/\partial q^1\\<br /> -\partial H/\partial q^2\\<br /> ...\\<br /> -\partial H/\partial q^n\\<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />
So, just like any ordinary vector field you've seen before, if you're at point 'm' it tells you where to go next to follow along the vector field. Differential equations are vector fields.

What's your background in mechanics?
 
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Haven't taken any mechanics courses. I mainly don't understand what a hamiltonian vector field physically represents. Would the components be the velocities and forces of a particle or what? If someone could just give me an example it would go a long way. Thanks
 
unchained1978 said:
Haven't taken any mechanics courses.
Without a good understanding of mechanics it makes little sense to study general relativity. So you first need to improve your background.
unchained1978 said:
I mainly don't understand what a hamiltonian vector field physically represents. Would the components be the velocities and forces of a particle or what? If someone could just give me an example it would go a long way. Thanks
It is the vector field F(z) in phase space (whose points are the pairs z=(q,p)) that tells in which direction a particle at point z will move: zdot = F(z). Post #3 tells you more explicitly how F looks like, given the Hamiltonian.
 

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