Relativistic kinetic energy and force.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of kinetic energy and force in the context of relativistic physics, particularly focusing on an electron accelerating in electric fields. Participants explore how classical concepts translate into relativistic scenarios, examining the implications of relativistic effects on kinetic energy and force equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that classically, an electron's kinetic energy is proportional to the distance from its origin and questions if this holds at relativistic speeds.
  • Another participant references a source indicating that relativistic kinetic energy and force cannot be directly derived from classical analogues by merely substituting relativistic mass.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of energy conservation in relativity, stating that the total energy of a charged particle in an electric field remains consistent regardless of its state of motion.
  • One participant introduces the concept of rapidity and its relationship with proper time, suggesting that the rate of change of rapidity is constant, which they equate to proper acceleration.
  • Another participant explores the scenario of an inverse square law force, proposing a relationship between kinetic energy and the distance variable in this context, leading to a specific formulation of gamma as a function of distance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how classical mechanics translates into relativistic contexts, with no consensus reached on the exact formulations of kinetic energy and force in these scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their discussions, particularly regarding the assumptions made about force and energy conservation in relativistic contexts, and the dependence on specific definitions of terms like rapidity and proper acceleration.

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classically, an electron accelerating from rest in a uniform electric field will have a kinetic energy proportional to the distance 'd' from its point of origin.

will this continue to hold even when the electron is moving at relativistic velocity?

I understand that the formula for relativistic kinetic energy is

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so basically kinetic energy is proportional to gamma - 1

so gamma(d) ≡ d + 1?
 
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granpa, There are several ways of writing the force and acceleration, but one thing you can rely on, even in relativity, is energy conservation. The total energy of a charge particle in an E field is E = γmc2 + eΦ where Φ is the electrostatic potential, and the value of this will be the same both when the particle is at rest and when it is moving relativistically. (This ignores only the radiation it will emit.)
 
Thank you. Thats was very helpful.

I've also been told that the rate of change of rapidity with respect to proper time will be constant.
I guess that would be the proper acceleration.

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gamma(x) = x + 1

a = dg(x)/dx = 1
 
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if instead of a uniform electric field we use an inverse square law

F = 1/r^2

KE = integral F dr = 1/r

KE = gamma(r) - 1 = 1/r

gamma(r) = 1 + 1/r
 

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