Activeion, new cleaning method, or homeopathy for dirt?

Vagn

Dedrum what evidence do you have to show that the product is (or was?) better than plain tap water and soap? The person making the claim has the burden of evidence, so until some peer-reviewed evidence is produced, then there is no reason to believe the marketing claims.

Ryan_m_b

If you have peer-reviewed evidence Dedrum for this product feel free to post it.

DeDrum

Vagn --

I have retracted by claims.

Additionally, previous and original posts here suggested the product and company claims were bogus. These are claims as ORIGINALLY made here.... yet per such claims of 'bogusness' no one here has the felt the need for their burden to show evidence in refutation of Activeon's claims. This post thread was established voluntarily. Yet done so without ANY evidence to support claims which counter what each here have claimed as bogus. Where is the science here to support the claim that the company's science claimed is bogus. Not here, yet standards are demanded. Seems a bit arrogant, and certainly not scientific.

These forums are more about ego, no?

Ryan_m_b

So why don't you think standards apply to everyone else Also you have been warned about your attitude and being insulting. I've given you fair chance to join in in a civil manner.

DeDrum

Ryan_m_b: "If you have peer-reviewed evidence Dedrum for this product feel free to post it."

Ryan, what is the specific science to which you refer?

Ryan_m_b

The research you have alluded to

Vagn

That's because the burden of proof is on those making the claim that it is better than plain tap water and soap. Why should anyone else investigate the marketing claims of any particular company? As far as I'm aware they haven't published anything in a peer-reviewed journal, so the claims aren't supported by any evidence.

DeDrum

Ryan_m_b:

My post to Vagn was in NO way an insult. Your suggestion is silly.
You have resorted to character assassination mode, which is an easy out.

You raised issues of refutation of some sort of science as based upon claims from Activeon. What is this science and why (the basis) have you refuted it?

Ryan_m_b

No, simply pointing out that you have posted insults.
Where did I refute the product exactly? All I have done is ask for evidence from you as you claimed that it was there. I really am baffled, you said that the science is real and that you had evidence for it. I asked to see it and you didn't provide it and now you are again objecting to something I haven't said and not providing anything.

Evo

Trolling is not allowed. Troll gone.