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Is this a complete test to show that a matrix is orthogonal?

 
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Jul30-12, 06:19 PM   #1
 

Is this a complete test to show that a matrix is orthogonal?


I used to test orthogonality by using the definition MT = M-1, which means I always calculated the inverse of the matrices. However, isn't it true that if M is orthogonal, then MMT = I?

If we multiply both side by M-1, we get MT = M-1.

Can I use this to proof the orthogonality of a matrix M, instead of calculating it's (often tedious) inverse?
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Jul30-12, 06:39 PM   #2
 
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I used to test orthogonality by using the definition MT = M-1, which means I always calculated the inverse of the matrices. However, isn't it true that if M is orthogonal, then MMT = I?

If we multiply both side by M-1, we get MT = M-1.

Can I use this to proof the orthogonality of a matrix M, instead of calculating it's (often tedious) inverse?


Of course...it's exactly the same, right?!

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Jul30-12, 06:42 PM   #3
 
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Of course...it's exactly the same, right?!

DonAntonio
This might be a dumb question, but would it be possible to have a matrix M where MMT = I, yet MTM ≠ I? I'm pretty sure that by definition, proving either of these 2 equalities is enough to know that M-1 = MT, but I wanted to make sure.
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Is this a complete test to show that a matrix is orthogonal?


Quote by tamtam402 View Post
This might be a dumb question, but would it be possible to have a matrix M where MMT = I, yet MTM ≠ I? I'm pretty sure that by definition, proving either of these 2 equalities is enough to know that M-1 = MT, but I wanted to make sure.
That is actually a very good question. There is no reason why [itex]MM^T=I[/itex] should imply [itex]M^TM=I[/itex].
But this is actually quite a deep result in linear algebra. The result is that every left-invertible matrix is invertible. And likewise with right-invertible.
So if AB=I, then it holds that BA=I. This is a special result that only holds for matrices.
Jul30-12, 08:53 PM   #5
 
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That is actually a very good question. There is no reason why [itex]MM^T=I[/itex] should imply [itex]M^TM=I[/itex].
But this is actually quite a deep result in linear algebra. The result is that every left-invertible matrix is invertible. And likewise with right-invertible.
So if AB=I, then it holds that BA=I. This is a special result that only holds for matrices.

Well, that holds in any group and in any monoid where every element has a right inverse, since then ( with [itex]\,a'=\,[/itex] right inverse of [itex]\,a[/itex] ):
[tex]a'a=a'a(a'a'')=a'(aa')a''=a'ea''=a'a''=e[/tex]
so the right inverse is also the left one.

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