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Preparing solution of low solubility organics in water

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Nov19-12, 12:44 PM
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I'm making a stock solution of xylene in water.

The solubility of xylene in water is 200 mg/L (Andrews and Keefer 1949). The density of xylene is 864 mg/mL.

Making 1 L stock solution is too much and a waste.

0.23mL (or 230ÁL) of xylene is equivalent to 198.72mg. To make the stock solution, if I add the 0.23mL of xylene to 50mL of water the concentration is 3974.40 mg/L.

This is where I'm confused and I feel silly.

I'm getting confused between the 198.72mg of xylene and the stock concentration 3974.40mg/L. Which one should I be looking at?
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Nov19-12, 01:09 PM
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Something is wrong. You can't have a stock solution with concentration higher than the solubility.
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Something is wrong. You can't have a stock solution with concentration higher than the solubility.
I think I figured out that I should be looking at the concentration of the solution rather than the mass of the analyte.

After a bit of number crunching this is what I got:

If I add 57ÁL which is equivalent to 49.248mg of xylene and make it up to 250mL of water I get a solution concentration of 196.99mg/L.

Is this right?

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Nov19-12, 01:25 PM
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Preparing solution of low solubility organics in water

Looks OK, but I wonder if it makes sense.

Are you aiming at the saturated solution? If so, take some excess of xylene (don't waste your time measuring exactly 57 ÁL) - whatever dissolves, dissolves, whatever is left, will float on the surface. Just use separating funnel to make sure you have just solution without xylene on the surface, otherwise taking samples will be difficult.
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Nov19-12, 01:37 PM
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Looks OK, but I wonder if it makes sense.

Are you aiming at the saturated solution? If so, take some excess of xylene (don't waste your time measuring exactly 57 ÁL) - whatever dissolves, dissolves, whatever is left, will float on the surface. Just use separating funnel to make sure you have just solution without xylene on the surface, otherwise taking samples will be difficult.
You have an excellent point.

Now here's something else that is weird.

Lets say I make a 250mL stock solution of xylene with a concentration of 190mg/L (slightly lower than the max solubility!).

If I want to make a 500mL solution with a concentration of 100mg/L using the stock solution. Using C1 * V1 = C2 * V2 where C1 and V1 are the concentration and volume of the stock solution, respectively, and C2 and V2 are the concentration and volume of the standard solution which I want to make.
According to my calculations I would need 263mL of stock. Is the only way around this to make a stock solution of higher volume (> 250mL)?
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Nov19-12, 02:09 PM
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Lets say I make a 250mL stock solution of xylene with a concentration of 190mg/L (slightly lower than the max solubility!).

If I want to make a 500mL solution with a concentration of 100mg/L using the stock solution. Using C1 * V1 = C2 * V2 where C1 and V1 are the concentration and volume of the stock solution, respectively, and C2 and V2 are the concentration and volume of the standard solution which I want to make.
According to my calculations I would need 263mL of stock. Is the only way around this to make a stock solution of higher volume (> 250mL)?
Yes. Nothing weird here.
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Nov19-12, 02:16 PM
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Yes. Nothing weird here.
Thank you. I'm just having one of those nights.

One last thing. Is there any other way besides using a burette to accurately transfer large liquid volumes between 100-400mL?
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Nov19-12, 03:37 PM
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How accurately?

A typical large burette is 100 mL. It is possible to buy a larger one, but it can be either difficult or expensive. These volumes are more often measured with a cylinder.
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Nov20-12, 05:54 AM
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I've calculated how much of stock solution I would need to make lower concentration solutions and looking at the volumes and glassware capacities at my disposal I would need to transfer liquids several times to get the required amount before diluting which would add errors.

Would it be better to make solutions with the desired concentrations I require rather than diluting a higher concentrated stock solution?
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Nov20-12, 06:55 AM
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Would it be better to make solutions with the desired concentrations I require rather than diluting a higher concentrated stock solution?
No simple answer to this question, as it depends on the concentrations you need, glass at hand and accuracy required. But as long as your stock concentration is not much higher than the concentration of the final solutions (say you need 100 mg/L and your stock is 200 mg/L) making stock can be a waste of time.
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Nov21-12, 11:03 AM
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I haven't done this before but what do you think about measuring the density of my stock solution and calculating the mass required to be diluted?
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Nov21-12, 11:26 AM
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Density of your stock solution will be almost exactly that of water.
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Nov21-12, 11:47 AM
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Is it frowned upon to use mass rather than volumes to transfer liquids?
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Nov21-12, 12:08 PM
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Volume of liquid is something you can measure easily compared to mass, so I guess...
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Nov21-12, 01:00 PM
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Is it frowned upon to use mass rather than volumes to transfer liquids?
No, but - as AGNuke mentioned - volume measurements are usually easier.


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