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Circular Motion, Gravity, Muddy Wheel 
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Feb1213, 09:49 PM

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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
A car is moving with constant velocity v, and has wheels of radius R. The car drives over a clump of mud and the mud with mass m, and sticks to the wheel with an adhesive force of f perpendicular to the surface of wheel. At what angle (theta) does the piece of mud drop off the wheel? Note that theta is the measure of the central angle of the circle. 2. Relevant equations F_{c}=mv^2/R 3. The attempt at a solution I am legitimately stumped on this problem, aside from my qualms with the question (the mud wouldn't drop off, it would fly off), this is what I have so far. I drew a free body diagram of the piece of mud. One force vector is pointing directly down. The other force vector (f) pointing toward the center of the wheel. Resolving into components: ƩF_{x} = fsin∅ ƩF_{y} = fcos∅mg Thus, when recombining these components to determine the net force vector, I get F = √ƩF_{x}^{2}+ƩF_{y}^{2} in the direction of the center of the wheel, thus F=F_{c}=mv^{2}/R thus, after some algebra you can solve for theta. However, this yields only periodic values of theta that allow the force vector F to be equal to centripetal force, meaning, only at these periodic values of theta is the mud adhering to the wheel? I'm really lost, any help is much appreciated. 


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Feb1213, 11:26 PM

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Circular Motion, Gravity, Muddy Wheel
Nevermind, I resolved that issue. Now I'm getting that forces in the radial direction are equal to fmgcosθ=F_{c}
However, if I set this equal to mv^{2}/R, won't that be still solving for only one value of θ? Aren't I looking for a θ at which the mud falls off (an inequality)? 


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Feb1313, 12:30 AM

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You're actually looking for a ≥ (or ≤ depending on how you set things up), so finding the = is good enough. That is, you're looking for the first point at which the clump falls off.



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Feb1313, 05:07 AM

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In general, the adhesive force cannot be purely radial. The resultant has to be radial, and the force of gravity is not, so the adhesion must supply a tangential force. The adhesive force will be tested most when gravity opposes it. For the question to make sense, the mud should first appear high up on the wheel. The only reason a lot of mud can be thrown up in practice is that wet mud adheres very well to begin with but loses its grip as the mud deforms. 


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Feb1313, 08:30 AM

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Thanks guys, I really appreciate the help. And at this point I'm resigned to say that this problem does not make sense. Given that the radius, velocity, and mass of the mud are constant, centripetal force (mv^2/R) will be constant. Given that all we're told about the adhesive force of the mud is that it's perpendicular to the wheel, I don't see how the problem can be solved. That is to say, that if the sum of the forces acting toward the center of the wheel are fmgcos(theta), then only 2 values of theta will cause the sum of the forces acting toward the center of the wheel to be equal to mv^2/R (at every other theta the sum of the forces acting toward the center of the wheel will not be equal to mv^2/R)



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I had a thought about this problem. If there is an implied frictional force between the mud and the tire that is large enough to prevent any movement in the tangential direction under any circumstances. That would allow the clump to stick until the vertical component of the adhesive force becomes less than gravity. Perhaps that is what the problem setter had in mind.



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Feb1613, 09:40 PM

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No, I'm the one doing the misunderstanding. I had thought that I had gotten the answer being asked for, but looking more closely it makes no sense.
It also seems that if the adhesive force is strong enough it will stick forever, even allowing tangential slipping. 


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