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Can Artificial Intelligence ever reach Human Intelligence?

by StykFacE
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StykFacE
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Sep18-05, 11:15 PM
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1st time post here.... thought i'd post up something that causes much debate over... but a good topic. ;-) (please keep it level-minded and not a heated argument)

Question: Can Artificial Intelligence ever reach Human Intelligence?

please give your thoughts.... i vote no.
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Pengwuino
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Sep18-05, 11:28 PM
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I'm pretty sure my cell phone has more intelligence then some of the people I have met....
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Sep18-05, 11:29 PM
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Quote Quote by Pengwuino
I'm pretty sure my cell phone has more intelligence then some of the people I have met....
lol, funny.

so your cell phone can think on its own? that's a pretty smart cell phone you got there.

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Sep18-05, 11:30 PM
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Can Artificial Intelligence ever reach Human Intelligence?

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lol, funny.

so your cell phone can think on its own? that's a pretty smart cell phone you got there.
No it can't think on its own. Now think of those implications.
StykFacE
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Sep18-05, 11:32 PM
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whether humans make smart, or dumb, desicions, the level of complexity is far greater than a computer will ever be.

i think that's what makes the difference mostly.
pallidin
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Sep19-05, 12:03 AM
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Though not strictly artificial intelligence, right now I am using a program called Dragon NaturallySpeaking version 8 to dictate my comment and have these words translated into text automatically.
StykFacE
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Sep19-05, 01:00 AM
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Quote Quote by pallidin
Though not strictly artificial intelligence, right now I am using a program called Dragon NaturallySpeaking version 8 to dictate my comment and have these words translated into text automatically.
so what is the point....? lol, i'm not sure i follow....
AI vs human intelligence is the issue at hand. ;-)
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Sep19-05, 01:06 AM
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I believe that program does have to make "decisions" on what your speech patterns mean and all.
StykFacE
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Sep19-05, 01:24 AM
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Quote Quote by Pengwuino
I believe that program does have to make "decisions" on what your speech patterns mean and all.
no, a program is.... "programmed". lol, it only does what it was programmed to do. there is no decision making process. a computer merely calculates numbers, and that's all a computer will ever do, no matter how advanced. ;-)
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Sep19-05, 01:30 AM
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Quote Quote by StykFacE
no, a program is.... "programmed". lol, it only does what it was programmed to do. there is no decision making process. a computer merely calculates numbers, and that's all a computer will ever do, no matter how advanced. ;-)
Using that definition, AI is undefinable. Your thread is thus, useless.
StykFacE
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Sep19-05, 01:37 AM
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Quote Quote by Pengwuino
... AI is undefinable....
how so? please comment...
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Sep19-05, 01:47 AM
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no, a program is.... "programmed". lol, it only does what it was programmed to do. there is no decision making process. a computer merely calculates numbers, and that's all a computer will ever do, no matter how advanced. ;-)
Most people who deal with AI have better definitions then this when it comes to AI. Your basically saying the only platform AI is going to be used with is intrinsically incapable of using AI.
kishtik
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Sep19-05, 05:50 AM
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Quote Quote by StykFacE
...there is no decision making process. a computer merely calculates numbers, and that's all a computer will ever do, no matter how advanced. ;-)
How do you know that we do not do the same thing? As Pengwuino stated, your definition is useless.

What is a decision making process? Think of it as you are studying,
Sub Chapterend()
If Sleepiness<10 Then
Study(NextChapter)
Else
Goto Bed.AtYourRoom
End If
End Sub
OR
`Waa Im so sleepy Id better study that Bessel Functions tomorrow...`
One way of thinking of AI (and making so-called intelligent robots) is that taking a `pleasure function` as a base and letting the machine decide which action avbailable makes it increase the most. This places `instincts`. For example a robot's bumping into a wall decreases its p. function but recharging its battery increases it and so on. What would you get? Robots addicted to charge, as we may be addicted to sex etc.
neurocomp2003
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Sep19-05, 11:35 AM
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sure can if you can code 100billion neurons and 10000synapse on average per neuron and given it the sensory/motor skills of a human. It might work a bit slower sorta like a child....but there are movements in california and colorado to build hardware...and i already think colorado has a machine thats like 3-4 years old can't remember what its called though. ohoh did i forgot to mention you gotta raise it for like 10-15 years.
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Sep19-05, 12:06 PM
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If you mean "raw intelligence", computers can already beat the best chess champions in the world, so I'm certain that surpassing human intelligence in complexity (think multi-tasking to the extreme) is inevitable. But programming it with emotions and intuitiveness could prove to be much more complexed. You're trying to teach a computer to ignore logic based on a "feeling". In that sense it would be very difficult to emulate us.

However the deeper question I think, isn't weather or not we CAN do this, but if we SHOULD. Machines with superior intelligence who are self aware may constitute a threat if they are given sufficient power and control. The counter to this of course, is that we simply keep them in the box and don't give them arms and legs to pummel us with. However society craves simplicity and convenience- the draw of a robot nanny may be too much to resist.
neurocomp2003
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Sep19-05, 12:23 PM
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if you keep them in a box and take off the limbs how are you they going to grow =]..i mean what if we were to do that to a baby.
Blahness
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Sep19-05, 12:23 PM
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Humans can be creative; Computers cannot.

Creativity makes Humans different from Computers.

It's possible, but what'll the telltale difference between AI and Real I be?

That, and if computers had free will, what makes us so sure of no revolt?

Above the above poster's post, shortened into 3 sentences, and agreed with.
StykFacE
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Sep19-05, 12:47 PM
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Quote Quote by Zantra
However the deeper question I think, isn't weather or not we CAN do this, but if we SHOULD. Machines with superior intelligence who are self aware may constitute a threat if they are given sufficient power and control. The counter to this of course, is that we simply keep them in the box and don't give them arms and legs to pummel us with. However society craves simplicity and convenience- the draw of a robot nanny may be too much to resist.
great statement, this is the kind of talk i'm looking for. however.... can we ever 'create' an artificial conscience, for a computer to actually think on its own, with emotions and feelings? sure, bots and computers can simulate us very much so, but there's still a difference. i think that's a key thought.... conscience. that is a very complex intelligence in itself.


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