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The discussion revolves around calculating the composition and volume of gaseous mixtures resulting from chemical reactions involving methane and oxygen, as well as hydrogen and oxygen. Participants explore the implications of assumptions such as system enclosure, pressure, temperature, and the completeness of reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • SiCharlton requests help with two chemistry problems involving gas mixtures and combustion reactions.
  • Some participants question the assumptions necessary to solve the problems, such as whether the system is enclosed and the conditions of temperature and pressure.
  • Chemicalsuperfreak suggests a method for solving the problems by determining moles and identifying the limiting reagent, but acknowledges the importance of conditions affecting gas volume.
  • Monique emphasizes the need to assume standard temperature and pressure (STP) for simplification, while also noting that real-world conditions may complicate the assumptions.
  • Bystander argues that STP is not a necessary assumption, but that ideal gas behavior and consistent conditions for reactants and products are crucial for determining mole ratios.
  • Another participant recalls a conversion constant related to gas calculations, expressing uncertainty about its accuracy.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of assuming STP and the implications of pressure and temperature on gas volume. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take for the problems presented.

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Participants highlight limitations in the problem statements, such as the lack of information on pressure and temperature, which may affect the calculations. There is also a discussion on the assumptions required for ideal gas behavior and the completeness of reactions.

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Hi guys i need a bit of help, with a couple of questions, if possible can someone show me how to work these with the answer, thanks a lot, any help appreciated!

1.A mixture of 2 litres of methane (Ch,4) and 4 litres of oxygen was ignited causing a combustion. Calulate the composition and volume of the gaseous mixture remaining.

2. A mixture of 40cm^3 of hydrogen and 40cm^3 of oxygen was sparked to create an explostion. calculate the compostition and final volume of the resultant gas mixture.

any help guys!
cheers

si
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ps, sorry i only just found there was a hwk zone bit, if a mod wants 2 move it is fair enough
 
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Hi SiCharlton, how are you every supposed to be able to solve this?? Is the system enclosed? What are the pressures? How much heat is released? I can't help you on this one..
 
It's just like any other of these chemistry problems. First, figure out how many moles of material you have. Then figure out the limiting reagent. Then figure out how much product you get. The total volume after reaction will depend on the number of mole of product plus the number of moles left of the limiting reagent.

You do know how to get moles from volume of gas and vice versa, right?
 
chemicalsuperfreak thankyou very much helped a lot!
:>:>:> all done now,
cheers
si
 
Originally posted by Chemicalsuperfreak
It's just like any other of these chemistry problems. First, figure out how many moles of material you have. Then figure out the limiting reagent. Then figure out how much product you get. The total volume after reaction will depend on the number of mole of product plus the number of moles left of the limiting reagent.

You do know how to get moles from volume of gas and vice versa, right?
Well, yeah, but..

The volume of a gas depends on its temperature and under how much pressure it is.. there is nothing said about that in the question, especially.. what happens after an explosion? The volume would fill the room.

Anyway, if it solved it for you, SiCharlton, than it is all good.
 
Originally posted by Monique
Well, yeah, but..

The volume of a gas depends on its temperature and under how much pressure it is.. there is nothing said about that in the question, especially.. what happens after an explosion? The volume would fill the room.

Anyway, if it solved it for you, SiCharlton, than it is all good.

If it's not stated assume STP. You can also assume it's a sealed container, a closed system, and that the final state will also be STP. Just to simplify things. You also have to assume a complete reaction resulting in a single prouct. And the latter is probable the most difficult to justify if this were a real world problem.
 
STP is not a necessary assumption; it is necessary to assume ideal gas behavior, and that reactants and products are at the same conditions of T,P. Information enough is given to determine mole ratios only.
 
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Originally posted by Bystander
STP is not a necessary assumption; it is necessary to assume ideal gas behavior, and that reactants and products are at the same conditions of T,P. Information enough is given to determine mole ratios only.

Yes, for this question. But often there are questions where the pressure and temperature do matter, and it is not given. And in these cases STP is conventionally assumed. Plus, knowing the volume of one mole of gas at STP makes for quite an easy "back of the envelope" approach to this problem.
 
What was that conversion constant? 14.6 seems to stand out in my memory, am I right? I haven't used that in like 4-5 years so I could be very far off
 

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