Are There Any Isolated Black Holes? Name a Few Here

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The discussion revolves around the existence of isolated black holes, specifically those that do not have companion stars or other nearby objects. Participants explore the challenges of detecting such black holes and share examples, while also discussing the implications of their isolation on detection methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how truly isolated black holes could be detected, suggesting gravitational lensing as a possible method.
  • One participant mentions the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way as a candidate that appears isolated, noting the absence of accretion disks or jets.
  • Another participant provides a link to a source discussing the Milky Way's central black hole, emphasizing its isolation.
  • There is a mention of a radio source at Sgr A*, which is thought to indicate low-level activity due to matter orbiting the black hole.
  • Some participants discuss the emission of X-rays by black holes and the concept of black holes "evaporating" via Hawking radiation, with varying views on the detectability of this radiation.
  • One participant argues that the Hawking radiation emitted by stellar mass black holes is negligible compared to emissions from interactions with interstellar medium particles and cosmic rays.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the detection of isolated black holes and the significance of Hawking radiation, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of isolation and detection methods, as well as the implications of black hole size on their emissions and detectability.

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are there any black holes found that have no companion stars or anything with them, are there any found?

if so could you please name a few on this thread

thanks
 
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Originally posted by taylordnz
are there any black holes found that have no companion stars or anything with them, are there any found?

if so could you please name a few on this thread

thanks
If they were truly isolated, it's hard to imagine how they'd be detected, other than by gravitational lensing.

The one that best meets your criterion is the supermassive one at the centre of our Milky Way galaxy - we know it's there, how massive it is, etc, yet there are no accretion disks, jets, etc. Of course, if by 'companion stars' you mean stars orbiting about a BH, then we're such a companion (although there's an awful lot more mass than just the galactic BH which contributes to our motion).

This link gives you an idea of how 'alone' the Milky Way centre BH is:
http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2002/pr-17-02.html
 
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Originally posted by Nereid
If they were truly isolated, it's hard to imagine how they'd be detected, other than by gravitational lensing.

The one that best meets your criterion is the supermassive one at the centre of our Milky Way galaxy - we know it's there, how massive it is, etc, yet there are no accretion disks, jets, etc. Of course, if by 'companion stars' you mean stars orbiting about a BH, then we're such a companion (although there's an awful lot more mass than just the galactic BH which contributes to our motion).

This link gives you an idea of how 'alone' the Milky Way centre BH is:
http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2002/pr-17-02.html

There is a radio source at Sgr A* though - thought to be very low level activity due to heated matter orbiting the BH.

Jess
 
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Don't Black Holes emit X-rays? I believe that is a way to detect them. IF a BH doesn't have anything around it to "feed" on i believe it decays at a certain rate (i swear i saw a BH decay equation for a static BH that doesn't gain mass from "feeding" on objects)
 
Yes, black holes "evaporate" via Hawking radiation. The actual power lost by the black hole is a function of its size (and thus its mass): small black holes evaporate very very quickly, while large ones evaporate only very slowly.

- Warren
 
The Hawking radiation which stellar mass black holes emit, IIRC, is far less than what such a BH would emit just from absorption of stray ISM (inter-stellar medium) particles, and cosmic rays. For a giant BH like the one at the centre of the Milky Way, Hawking radiation would be undetectable, even from up close.
 
Originally posted by Nereid
The Hawking radiation which stellar mass black holes emit, IIRC, is far less than what such a BH would emit just from absorption of stray ISM (inter-stellar medium) particles, and cosmic rays. For a giant BH like the one at the centre of the Milky Way, Hawking radiation would be undetectable, even from up close.
Correctomundo. See: http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/hawk.html and notice the middle of the page about the (lack of) energy from the 3 billion Ms in the giant elliptical galaxy M-87. Also, much more back awhile at:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9878
 

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