magnetic dipole moment


by thenewbosco
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thenewbosco
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#1
Jan29-06, 06:30 PM
P: 188
Hello, i have absolutely no clue on how to start this one:

a sphere of radius R has a uniform volume charge density [tex]\rho[/tex].
Determine the magnetic dipole moment of the sphere when it rotates as a rigid body with angular velocity [tex]\omega[/tex] about an axis through its center.

thanks for the help on this one
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Psi-String
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#2
Jan30-06, 05:16 AM
P: 79
Maybe you can divide the sphere in to many rings. Each ring is a magnetic dipole moment, which magnitude is

[tex] \mu = iA [/tex]

Then integrate them.

By the way, what's the given answer?
Is it

[tex] \frac{4}{15} \rho \omega \pi R^5 [/tex] ?
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#3
Jan30-06, 01:16 PM
P: 188
hello, i do not have the answer at this time, but i tried your method you describe and got the same as you without the 15 in the denominator. can you explain how you ended up with 4/15?

thanks

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#4
Jan30-06, 09:45 PM
P: 79

magnetic dipole moment


Hi. There was R^5 and sin^3 in my integration so it ended up with 4/15. It seems that we have some difference from the start. If we use the same idea, it should come out the same result. Can you post you equation?

Thanks
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#5
Jan30-06, 11:05 PM
P: 188
heres what i have done:

since [tex]dV \rho = dq[/tex] and [tex]dt=\frac{2\pi}{\omega}[/tex] so that [tex]I=\frac{dq}{dt}=\frac{dV\omega\rho}{2\pi}[/tex]

now since magnetic moment is [tex]\mu=IA[/tex] i wrote [tex] d\mu = \frac{dV\omega\rho}{2\pi}dA[/tex] then for a sphere the differential volume element i used was [tex]dV= r^2 sin\theta dr d\theta d\phi[/tex]

putting this all together i have
[tex]\mu = \frac{\omega\rho}{2\pi}\int_{0}^{R}r^2 dr\int_{0}^{\pi}sin\theta d\theta\int_{0}^{2\pi}d\phi\int dA[/tex]

where [tex]\int dA = volume of sphere = \frac{4}{3}\pi r^3[/tex]
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#6
Jan31-06, 12:00 AM
P: 79
Quote Quote by thenewbosco
where [tex]\int dA = volume of sphere = \frac{4}{3}\pi r^3[/tex]
This is the difference.

I think that we can obtain a circle by intersecting a plan and the sphere. There are many many diffrential rings on the circle, each has area

[tex] r^2 sin^2 \phi \pi [/tex]

A bigger ring will involve a small one, so

[tex] \int dA \neq \frac{4}{3} \pi R^3 [/tex]

My solution is similar as yours:

A ring has charge

[tex] q=2 \pi r sin \phi r d \phi dr \rho [/tex]

so each ring has

[tex] i=2 \pi r sin \phi r d \phi dr \rho \frac{\omega}{2 \pi} [/tex]

magnetic moment [tex] \mu = iA [/tex] [tex]A =r^2 sin^2 \phi [/tex]

put this all together

[tex] \mu = \rho \omega \pi \int_{0}^{R}\int_{0}^{\pi} r^4 sin^3 \phi dr d \phi [/tex]
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#7
Jan31-06, 12:11 AM
P: 188
i am wondering what angle phi is on yours, i have used phi and theta as in spherical polar coordinates, while you have only theta. can you describe what this is. thanks
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Jan31-06, 01:22 AM
P: 79
Quote Quote by thenewbosco
i am wondering what angle phi is on yours, i have used phi and theta as in spherical polar coordinates, while you have only theta. can you describe what this is. thanks
[tex]\mu = \frac{\omega\rho}{2\pi}\int_{0}^{R}r^2 dr\int_{0}^{\pi}sin\theta d\theta\int_{0}^{2\pi}d\phi\int dA[/tex]
[tex] \theta_{yours} = \phi_{mine} [/tex]

Quote Quote by Psi-String
[tex] q=2 \pi r sin \phi r d \phi dr \rho [/tex]
[tex] \int_{0}^{2 \pi} d \phi_{yours} = 2 \pi_{mine} [/tex]

I'm not 100% sure whether my solution and answer are right or not.
If you have other ideas or know the correct answer, plz tell me.
Thanks a lot
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#9
Jan31-06, 08:56 PM
P: 188
just wondering how you have for area that

[tex]A=r^2 sin^2\phi[/tex]

otherwise your solution looks right to me
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#10
Jan31-06, 10:54 PM
P: 79
Quote Quote by Psi-String
magnetic moment [tex] \mu = iA [/tex] [tex] A=r^2 sin^2 \phi [/tex]
Oh I'm sorry! It should be

[tex] A= r^2 sin^2 \phi \pi [/tex]

Sorry for mistake.
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#11
Mar3-09, 01:15 PM
P: 7
(sorry for all the greek letters in superscript, I don't know why it's doing that...)

I am doing this same question except the sphere only carries a uniform surface charge [tex]\sigma[/tex]. I then obtain the final answer

[tex]4/3[/tex][tex]\pi[/tex]R[tex]\omega\sigma[/tex]

Which is equivalent to

Volume of Sphere x [tex]\omega\sigma[/tex] (+z direction)

Would this be the correct answer?

The only real difference when doing the question is that I only needed to integrate wrt theta instead of over the whole volume since all the charge lies on the surface.
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#12
May2-09, 09:18 PM
P: 9
the correct answer is 1/3*q*(R^2)*w ... now calculate it correctly ....


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