Seti@Home in finacle trouble

**scott1** · Mar25-06, 10:13 PM

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/donate.php
Seti@Home needs help they need $750,000 just to be running for 1 year.

**Curious3141** · Mar26-06, 08:15 PM

I firmly believe SETI to be a waste of time. If an advanced civilisation wants to contact us, they will find a way. If a really advanced civilisation wants to completely hide their existence, they'll find a way.

SETI is like a geek's home physics project writ large. Money can be better spent on other legitimate scientific ventures (and ...gasp, humanitarian ventures).

**JasonRox** · Mar26-06, 08:43 PM

I totally agree with Curious.

**Ivan Seeking** · Mar26-06, 10:27 PM

SETI was begun when it was realized that to some reasonable limit, we could detect us - at that point it made sense to look for other worlds. Nobody is attempting to contact or hide from anyone. SETI seeks to definitively answer the question: Are we alone?

**JasonRox** · Mar26-06, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ivan Seeking

SETI was begun when it was realized that to some reasonable limit, we could detect us - at that point it made sense to look for other worlds. Nobody is attempting to contact or hide from anyone. SETI seeks to definitively answer the question: Are we alone?

I just don't think it is worthy enough to fund one million dollars a year into.

**moose** · Mar26-06, 10:51 PM

I really hope that someday within the next few years we detect an extraterrestrial signal....

**Ivan Seeking** · Mar26-06, 10:56 PM

It is fundamental research which is always difficult to justify, but often the source of the greatest break throughs. And beyond that, if we were to prove the existence of intelligent life elsewhere, it would change humanity forever. This would be one of the greatest, or perhaps even the greatest new truth of all time - a consciousness expanding event much like when we realized that the entire universe doesn't rotate about the earth, which were words to die for at the time.

**JasonRox** · Mar27-06, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ivan Seeking

It is fundamental research which is always difficult to justify, but often the source of the greatest break throughs. And beyond that, if we were to prove the existence of intelligent life elsewhere, it would change humanity forever. This would be one of the greatest, or perhaps even the greatest new truth of all time - a consciousness expanding event much like when we realized that the entire universe doesn't rotate about the earth, which were words to die for at the time.

We should do it patiently though. If we can't afford it, we must wait until we can.

Sure people are rich and can just fork over the money, but people like Trump need to spend money on their wives. Do you have any idea how much it would cost Trump to sleep with HER!?

**Ivan Seeking** · Mar27-06, 04:03 PM

The money spend is trivial compared to that spent on weapons, the space program, or even what kids spend on video games. For example, we could fund SETI for two thousand years for the price of one B2 bomber.
http://www.cdi.org/issues/aviation/B296.html

**Tom Mattson** · Mar27-06, 04:35 PM

finacle?

Blasted 10 char limit!

**daveb** · Mar27-06, 04:39 PM

Really, folks, do you honestly believe anyone would want to contact us? Would you want to contact us?

**chroot** · Mar27-06, 05:07 PM

The money is actually pretty trivial compared to many other scientific ventures. Also, consider that SETI runs mostly in "piggyback" mode. Scientists use radio telescopes to do "conventional" radio astronomy, and SETI analyzes the continuous flow of data as the telescopes move around the sky. It's a "gimmie." We might as well do it, even though everyone agrees it's probably not going to find anything.

Besides, think of all the advances that have been made in everything from distributed computation, detection devices (receivers, software radio, etc.), and so on as a result of SETI. As Ivan has said, pure research is always a gamble, but without funding equally "pointless" pure research, 99% of the technological advances of the last hundred years wouldn't have happened.

- Warren

**Ivan Seeking** · Mar27-06, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by chroot

It's a "gimmie." We might as well do it, even though everyone agrees it's probably not going to find anything.

Not quite everyone. Recently, Seth Shostak predicted contact within I think twenty years. Apparently the VLA being built offers significant advantages over what is used now. But I'm not sure if SETI@Home applies to this effort.

**Azael** · Mar27-06, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Ivan Seeking

It is fundamental research which is always difficult to justify, but often the source of the greatest break throughs. And beyond that, if we were to prove the existence of intelligent life elsewhere, it would change humanity forever. This would be one of the greatest, or perhaps even the greatest new truth of all time - a consciousness expanding event much like when we realized that the entire universe doesn't rotate about the earth, which were words to die for at the time.

well said.

Easily worth the little money it costs.

**luckycharms** · Mar27-06, 06:57 PM

$750k. Is that for the whole SETI program or just the @home data analysis?

You could maybe argue about where it fits within our scientific priorities, but I'll never understand the argument of science spending versus other domestic priorities. Research unquestionably gets more "bang for your buck" socially and economically that just about any other budget item.

NIH $27bn, NASA $15bn, NSF $5bn, DARPA $2bn adds up to maybe $50-60 billion out of a $2.5 trillion budget.

**scott1** · Mar27-06, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Curious3141

I firmly believe SETI to be a waste of time. If an advanced civilisation wants to contact us, they will find a way. If a really advanced civilisation wants to completely hide their existence, they'll find a way.

SETI is like a geek's home physics project writ large. Money can be better spent on other legitimate scientific ventures (and ...gasp, humanitarian ventures).

How do you know if an advance civiltion think it's waste of time to come here?I think it would be better for use to make contact with them first instead of them making contact with us.
Anyway how do you know if we don't discover somthing(non-ET) importent.Alot of things in secience where discoverd on accedient while looking for somthing that doesn't exist.