Thick-Skinned Gravastars Vie to Replace Black Holes, in Theory

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical concept of gravastars as a potential replacement for black holes, particularly in relation to the big bang theory and the nature of the universe. Participants explore the implications of gravastars on cosmic expansion and the conditions within such structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the big bang theory might describe phenomena occurring inside a gravastar, suggesting that the universe could be the interior of a giant gravastar.
  • There is a hypothesis that the expansion of the universe could be attributed to matter falling into the gravastar, paralleling the events of a black hole formation.
  • One participant references the creation of Bose-Einstein condensates as a comparison to the matter inside a gravastar, questioning the applicability of these conditions to our universe.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the feasibility of the universe existing within a gravastar, suggesting that matter would need to be dispersing at a much higher rate than currently observed.
  • A later reply speculates that the universe might be conceptualized as a four-dimensional gravastar, with three-dimensional space represented by a thin shell.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the viability of gravastars as a model for understanding the universe, with no consensus reached on the relationship between gravastars and the big bang theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various assumptions regarding the conditions necessary for a gravastar and the implications for cosmic expansion, highlighting unresolved questions about the nature of matter and energy in such a framework.

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http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/gravastars_020423.html


I pose this question: could our "big bang" theory (as we know it now) describe what could really be happening inside a black hole (err "gravastar")


Mottola and Mazur have taken their extreme idea to a mentally dizzying new level: The say our entire universe may be the interior of a giant gravastar.

Think about this: the expansion of the universe (as we see it right now) is simply due to more and more matter falling into the "gravastar" in which our universe lies!


When a black hole forms -- does it expand really quickly at first (like the big bang), then slows, etc. In other words, could the sequence of events in the big bang (and onwards to the present time) mirror the events that happen with a black hole/gravastar?
 
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Originally posted by brum
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/gravastars_020423.html


I pose this question: could our "big bang" theory (as we know it now) describe what could really be happening inside a black hole (err "gravastar")

Think about this: the expansion of the universe (as we see it right now) is simply due to more and more matter falling into the "gravastar" in which our universe lies!

When a black hole forms -- does it expand really quickly at first (like the big bang), then slows, etc. In other words, could the sequence of events in the big bang (and onwards to the present time) mirror the events that happen with a black hole/gravastar?
Probably not. The site you posted states:

"In 1995, researchers cooled matter to near absolute zero and created a new form of matter called a Bose-Einstein condensate, in which the motion of electrons, protons, and everything else comes to a complete halt. Everything reaches a single state, called a quantum state, creating what's been called a "super atom."

The matter inside a gravastar would be akin to the Bose-Einstein condensate. It would exist in a vacuum, surrounded by an ultra-thin, ultra-cold, ultra-dark bubble, hence the name gra (vitational) va (cuum) star, or gravastar
."

Those conditions don't seem to fit the conditions we observe in our universe.
 
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I believe the article states that the boundary is the phase of matter that represents the bose-einstein condensate.

However regardless, there are still numerous problems with the universe being inside a gravastar. I would suspect matter would need to be flying apart far faster than it is if it was being pushed to the ultra thin bubble.
 
I assumed they meant the universe was a four dimensional gravastar with three dimensional space being the thin shell.
 
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