Why is e chosen as the natural base for logarithms?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons for choosing the constant "e" as the natural base for logarithms. Participants explore its definitions, significance in various contexts, and its fundamental relationship to other mathematical concepts, including exponential functions and natural logarithms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that "e" appears frequently in nature, describing phenomena involving continuous growth or decay, such as bank interest and biological processes.
  • One participant mentions that the function \( e^x \) has the unique property of being its own slope at any point, suggesting a deeper insight into its significance.
  • Another participant argues that the natural logarithm is defined first, leading to the definition of "e" as the base of this logarithm.
  • It is proposed that the differential equation where the rate of change of a quantity is proportional to the quantity itself leads to solutions in the form of exponentials involving "e".
  • Some participants refer to alternative definitions of "e", such as limits involving factorials and continuous interest calculations, highlighting its mathematical versatility.
  • There is a suggestion that the naturalness of "e" as a base for logarithms becomes apparent when considering derivatives, though this perspective is not universally accepted.

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Participants express a variety of viewpoints regarding the definition and significance of "e". There is no consensus on a singular explanation, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

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Some definitions and explanations rely on specific mathematical contexts, such as limits and differential equations, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with mathematical concepts among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying mathematics, particularly in the areas of calculus and logarithmic functions, as well as individuals curious about the applications of "e" in natural phenomena.

Loren Booda
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Their must be over a million definitions involving the constant "e". What I would like is a description of the natural logarithm in natural terms, not just saying "e is where

e
[inte] dx/x=1, etc."
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In other words, why choose this function to define e, and how does it most fundamentally relate to other uses of e?
 
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That's a good question. I'm sure I could answer it where it not so late, I'll think into it.
 
e shows up everywhere is nature. Essentially it describe any phenomena that includes continuous build-up with certain rate. i.e. interests of your bank account, spiral pattern of shell of certain sea creatures. You can easily see from the definition of exponential function.

e = lim (1 + x) ^(1/x)

where limit takes x to zero.

Instanton
 
Yes, but that doesn't really explain the question.


One thing that I remember is that for the graph of ex, the function is its own slope at any point if that helps some insight.
 
Then, I don't know what the question is. e is just a trancedental number. Significance, or usefulness comes from the fact that it shows up everywhere in nature. Case for a pi is similar.

Instanton
 
actually the first function we define is not e
it's natural log
integrate from 1 to x for dt/t = ln(x)-ln(1)= ln(x)
because after we define natural logarithm funtion
we fine the base for the ln function
so we defined the exponatial e
hope this can help
 
The general idea is we very often have cases where

rate of change of X proportional to X

eg X'(t) = c*X(t). For example this very often occurs when X is a number of objects which are independent of one another: reproducing bacteria, decaying atoms. The most mathematically natural case is where c=1; though physically, there is nothing special about that unless the units of X and t are comparable.

It turns out the solution to this differential equation has the form of an exponential, X(t)=e^t, with e itself.
 
Summation the reciprocal of k factorial from 1 to infinitely large is also a representation of e , but it comes from the Talor's theorem and the derivative of e^x.
 
The first definition I was given for e is as a limit for n->oo of (1+1/n)^n.

In this form it occurs also in other scenarios like the calculation of continuous interest in finance...

As far as considering it as a natural base for logarithms... you realize how natural it is only once you start calculating derivatives I guess...

Another possibility is to say that e is the basis of logarithm when
lim (log(1+x))/x=1
x->0
that is the logarithm that goes to zero as linearly as x does.
 

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