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The discussion revolves around the potential future scenarios of the universe's fate, specifically the concepts of the "big crunch" and "big freeze." Participants explore theoretical actions that could be taken to address these scenarios, including the manipulation of black holes and the implications of cosmic expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the universe may ultimately face a "big crunch" or "big freeze," prompting questions about possible actions humanity could take in response.
  • One participant suggests that the universe could end up as nothing but black holes, advocating for exploration of ways to impose intelligence on black holes.
  • Another participant questions the current theories regarding black holes, noting the possibility of their eventual dissipation and the implications of black holes attracting each other.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for a big crunch if black holes were to dominate the universe, with inquiries about existing theories or ideas on how to prevent or manage black hole formation.
  • One participant references the accelerating expansion of the universe, suggesting that current understanding indicates no imminent danger of a big crunch.
  • Discussion includes the concept of tearing holes in space and time, with skepticism about the feasibility of such actions if the universe is in decline.
  • Questions are posed about the nature of energy required to create wormholes and the possibility of saving the universe versus merely escaping it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the likelihood of a big crunch occurring, with some doubting its possibility based on current theories of cosmic expansion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approaches to address the universe's fate.

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Limitations include the dependence on evolving theories of cosmology, the speculative nature of proposed actions, and the lack of consensus on the implications of black holes and cosmic expansion.

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Eventually, assuming we survive that long, we will face the problem of the Universe's "big crunch" or "big freeze" (if you care to use those terms...). So what possible action could we take when we reach that point? I realize we aren't anywhere near the level of technology we would need to be at to actually do anything, but surely we can come up with some decent ideas. Can we somehow prevent it from occurring? If not (or if we don't want to), can we get through it in some way? What do you think, realisticly, we could do (at some point there will be billions of scientists crawling over this problem like crazy, let's get a head start :P)?
 
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Current thought is the universe will end up as nothing but black holes. So we should explore ways to impose our intelligence on black holes.
 
But what of the current theories that black holes eventually "dissipate"? Wouldn't these black holes continually be forming and "dissipating", so there would be many more than there are now but still a lot of other things? Also, if everything WAS black holes wouldn't they attract each other and become one big black hole, and curve all spacetime into a point of nothingness (essentially the "big crunch")?

But back to what you said, I soppose you mean to manually get rid of black holes or somehow block their effects.
1) Are there currently any theories on how to do either of these? If not theories, ideas of some form at the least?
2) Or would it be more effective to PREVENT all of those black holes from forming somehow, do you think?

Sorry for all the questions and the analysis-kind-of-thing (heh), trying to carry this into a very interesting discussion. :)
 
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Also, if everything WAS black holes wouldn't they attract each other and become one big black hole, and curve all spacetime into a point of nothingness (essentially the "big crunch")?

It was originally thought that the universe was going to eventually collapse back in on itself, but it was realized later that the universe's expansion is accelerating.

So, no, as far as physicists know right now, there is no danger of there ever being a big crunch.

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Second, the ability to tear holes in space and time may come
in handy one day. Astronomers, analyzing light from distant supernovas,
have concluded recently that the universe may be accelerating, rather
than slowing down. If this is true, there may be an anti-gravity force
(perhaps Einstein's cosmological constant) which is counteracting the
gravitational attraction of distant galaxies. But this also means that the
universe might expand forever in a Big Chill, until temperatures approach
near-absolute zero. Several papers have recently laid out what such a
dismal universe may look like. It will be a pitiful sight: any civilization
which survives will be desperately huddled next to the dying embers of
fading neutron stars and black holes. All intelligent life must die when the
universe dies.
http://www.mkaku.org/articles/physics_of_alien_civs.shtml


-Chris
 
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Tear holes in space and time... To where? A wormhole is no good if the hole universe is screwed- you'd have to somehow get a hole leading to another universe, if you can't save the one you've got.

But do you think this would be accomplished by a powerful enough burst of energy, or what would you think the most likely way to do it?

Also, what ways might there be, if any, to actually save this universe rather than to simply escape?
 
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Your post assumes a big crunch is going to happen, which is doubtful in my mind.

Has you read on the theory of Gravastars?

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/gravastars_020423.html
 
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