Positive and negative charges(mainly relating to copy machines)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of positive and negative charges in the context of copy machines, particularly how colors interact with electrical charges on a photoconductive drum. Participants explore the mechanisms of charging, the role of light, and the properties of semiconductors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why black colors create a positive charge while white colors create a negative charge, suggesting a possible connection to wavelengths.
  • Another participant explains that the charging process in copy machines involves a photoconductive plate that only conducts electricity when exposed to light, leading to cancellation of charges in illuminated areas.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the definition and properties of semiconductors, expressing confusion over how they function.
  • There is a question about how electrons are introduced into the wire and the necessity of electrons in the charging process.
  • Some participants discuss the existence of duplicate topics in the forum, indicating a potential overlap in discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between color and charge, with some proposing explanations while others seek clarification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial questions about the nature of charges and the role of semiconductors.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions and explanations provided, particularly regarding the behavior of semiconductors and the specifics of electrical charge generation in copy machines. Some assumptions about the nature of light and its interaction with the photoconductive drum are not fully explored.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying electrical engineering, physics, or anyone curious about the principles behind copy machines and the behavior of charges in semiconductors.

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Why is it that black colors create a positive elctrical charge, while white colors send a negative charge? Does it have to do with different wave lengths?

When light (in a copy machine) is focused on to the photoconductive drum, why and how does the black color become positively charged? I know that the ink that is applied is negatively charged, and through the principle of opposite attraction, the ink is attracted to the colors (black or whatever, as long as it isn't white). But why can't the ink get negatively charged? The black colors are already positively charged.

How do things get positively or negatively charged? I know its when an ionic bond takes place, and an atom has more electrons than protons, but how is this induced to occur? Why does this sort of reaction create a charge?
 
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OK, the situation in copy machines doesn't have anything to do with the wavelength. It's actually arbitrary -- here's what happens. First, we charge up the drum, which I'm going to draw as a flat plate:
Code:
+ + + + + + + +     positive charge
===============     photoconductive plate (in the dark)
- - - - - - - -     negative charge
Now, the photoconductive plate is a special type of semiconductor which only conducts electricity when you shine light on it. Light from a lamp is bounced off the paper; the white reflects the light, the black doesn't. This is basically the definition of white/black -- we see something as black when there's no light coming from it, and white when it's an even mix of colors.

So the light only gets reflected off the white parts, and hits the corresponding parts of the plate. Those parts of the plate become conductive, and the opposite charges flow across it and cancel.
Code:
+ +       + +
=============
- -       - -
^^^Where the white area is in the middle.

To create the original charges, we basically create a really strong voltage that can pull electrons off the top of the plate, into some wire. The voltage is got from the electric power lines in the wall... that power is originally generated usually using some sort of magnets. See "dynamos."

Ionic bonding is something that charged particles can do, but it's not relevant to electricity creation.
 
What exactly is a semiconductor. I just read a definition that said

"Semi-conductors such as Silicon (see p.58) fall into this category."
'This category' being "...the conductivity of some substances varies significantly with certain conditions..."

Not a very good definition, so can you explain it to me?

That's really interesting. But how do you get the electrons into the wire? Why do you need electrons in the first place? They're negatively charged. Or do you put an extra electron in a negatively charged atom?
 
Umm ... i thought duplicates of the same topic in more than a single forum are not allowed in PF ... anyway ...
You may know more here , the page also include some information about how light will affect the photoconductive plate.
 
Staii, was this thread that you speak of, by any chance, started by me? I started a thread on this very subject, but the problem is I can't find it.
 
Did you check the "How Stuff Works" forum ? (Well, I did !)
 
Oh, I never new that forum ever existed! I'll go find it...
thanks.
 

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