Don't know where to start with this one

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The discussion revolves around the set theory identity A \ (B union C) = (A \ B) union (A \ C). Participants are exploring how to approach proving this identity or finding a counterexample, with a focus on methods such as Venn diagrams and algebraic manipulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with a Venn diagram to visualize the sets and their relationships.
  • Another participant proposes a proof using set membership definitions, indicating that x in A \ (B union C) can be expressed in terms of intersections and complements.
  • A different participant questions whether 'union' can be treated like addition, providing a numeric example to illustrate their point.
  • One reply corrects the misunderstanding about the union operation, clarifying that it does not equate to addition and that the complement symbol \ does not represent division.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the problem, with some advocating for visual methods and others for algebraic proofs. There is no consensus on the correctness of the numeric example provided, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the identity in question.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and operations involved in set theory, particularly regarding the complement and union operations. The numeric example raises questions about the applicability of arithmetic operations to set operations.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning set theory, particularly those seeking different methods for proving set identities or understanding the operations involved.

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How do I start a problem like this? I need to prove it's true or provide a counterexample if it is false.

A \ (B union C) = (A \ B) union (A \ C)

If someone could point me in the right direction, then I would appreciate it.
 
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i would start with a venn diagram. three circles: one for A, one for B, and one for C. then shade in A \ (B union C) and draw a separate diagram and shade in (A \ B) union (A \ C). if the two shaded regions are identical, then try to prove it's true. if they're not identical, that will narrow your search for a counterexample.
 
you could just prove it:

x in A\(BuC) iff (x in A) and (x not in (BuC) iff etc...

Of course we could pass to a universe, X\Y = X intersect Y^c, and the question just needs you to know about interesections.
 
I'm not too familiar with this, but if we take a numeric example, then does 'union' act as the addition operator? Can we perform arithmetic operations on sets?

For example, take A={3}, B={2}, C={5}

Then would

A /(B u C) = 3 / (2+5) = 3/7

whereas

(A/B) u (A/C) = (3/2) + (3/5) = 21/10

thus providing a counterexample?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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does 'union' act as the addition operator?

Yes, in some sense, but it's hardly defined exactly like the "normal" addition operator... See Wikipedia, set theory for more info.

In your example, B union C = {2, 5}, not 7!

Also, \ stands for complement, not division.
 
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