This would be a false statement, correct?

In summary, the statement "A union B is like the two entire circles of the Venn diagram and that cannot be a subset of the intersection area" is FALSE, because it is possible to have #A \cup B = A \cap B#.
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A quick question about sets and intersection/unions
I believe that I am correct, the following statement here must be FALSE, right? It has to be false because A union B is like the two entire circles of the Venn diagram and that cannot be a subset of the intersection area, right? Now if this statement was flipped, then it would be true?

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Correct :wink: !
 
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By the way PF would really appreciate typed posts instead of disk-space wasting big pictures !

If you type
##A\cup B \subseteq A\cap B## then you get ##A\cup B \subseteq A\cap B## (in-line math), and if you type
$$A\cup B \subseteq A\cap B$$ then you get $$A\cup B \subseteq A\cap B$$
('displayed math').

##LaTeX## is fun, fairly easy to start with and extremely useful
 
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Yes correct. For example take ##A = \{0\}, B = \{1\}##. Then ##A\cup B = \{0,1\}## yet ##A \cap B = \emptyset##.

The other inclusion, that is ##A \cap B \subseteq A \cup B##, is trivially true.
 
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EchoRush said:
Summary:: A quick question about sets and intersection/unions

I believe that I am correct, the following statement here must be FALSE, right? It has to be false because A union B is like the two entire circles of the Venn diagram and that cannot be a subset of the intersection area, right? Now if this statement was flipped, then it would be true?

You can, however, have ##A \cup B = A \cap B##, so it's not always false. Can you see when you have this equality?

It is correct that ##A \cup B## can never be a proper subset of ##A \cap B##.
 
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You can, however, have ##A \cup B = A \cap B##, so it's not always false. Can you see when you have this equality?
Yes, absolutely, it is NOT correct to say that the statement is unconditionally false.
 
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I believe that I am correct, the following statement here must be FALSE, right?
To reinforce what others have said, there is a difference between talking about a "statement" versus taking about a "propositional function".

If you utter a phrase like "If x > 7 then x > 1" , it is technically a "propositional function", which cannot be assigned a truth value ( True vs False) until "x" is defined to be something specific. In common speech and in informal mathematical writing, it is usually understood that phrases like "If x >7 then x > 1" are intended to have the "universal quantifier" given by the phrase "for each". So the reader interprets the claim "If x > 7 then x > 1" to mean "For each number x, if x >7 then x > 1". With this interpretation, the phrase becomes a statement which can be assigned a truth value.

The other commonly used quantifier is "there exists". Someone writing hasty notes might jot down the phrase "x > 1" intending it to mean "There exists a number x such that x > 1". However, this is not a clear style of writing.

Your question about "##A \cup B \subseteq A \cap B##" is technically a question about a propositional function, so it cannot be assigned a single truth value. You probably intended some universal quantifiers to be supplied, so the phrase would become the statement "For each set ##A## and for each set ##B##, ## A \cup B \subseteq A \cap B##". With the universal quantifiers, the propositional function is converted into a False statement. However, if we supply existential quantifiers, we get "There exists a set ##A## and there exists a set ##B## such that ## A \cup B \subseteq A \cap B##". This converts the propositional function into a True statement.
 
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1. Is this statement always false?

No, the statement "This would be a false statement, correct?" is not always false. It depends on the context and whether it is a true or false statement.

2. Can a false statement be correct?

No, by definition, a false statement is not correct. A statement can only be considered correct if it is true.

3. Why is this statement considered false?

This statement is considered false because it contradicts itself. It claims to be false, but if it is false, then it would actually be true, making it a paradox.

4. How do we determine if a statement is true or false?

In science, we use evidence and experimentation to determine the truth or falsehood of a statement. We also use logic and reasoning to evaluate the validity of a statement.

5. Can a statement be both true and false?

No, a statement cannot be both true and false at the same time. It can only be one or the other. However, there are some statements that may seem to be both true and false, but this is usually due to a lack of information or a misunderstanding of the statement.

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