Aikido: The Art of Leverage, According to Steven Sigal

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The discussion centers around the martial art of Aikido and its relationship to the law of leverage, as well as broader concepts in physics related to leverage, energy, and mathematical expressions of these principles. The scope includes theoretical exploration, mathematical reasoning, and conceptual clarification.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Aikido is fundamentally based on the law of leverage, with references to Steven Sigal's comments.
  • Others agree that both Aikido and jiu-jitsu rely on an understanding of leverage, but express skepticism about Sigal's relevance.
  • A participant introduces Archimedes' principle regarding leverage and connects it to modern physics concepts, suggesting that the action principle is based on leverage.
  • There is a proposal of a "double levels principle" which is described as a Local Infinitesimal Motion (LIM) in one-dimensional space, raising questions about its mathematical representation.
  • Mathematical expressions for the double action are presented, but there is uncertainty about their applicability, particularly regarding vector relations in multi-particle systems.
  • Another participant discusses torque as a vector product and its implications for energy conservation, linking it to the conservation of LIM.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express both agreement on the foundational role of leverage in Aikido and disagreement on the implications and applications of these principles in physics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the mathematical formulations and their physical interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the mathematical expressions provided, and the applicability of concepts like the double levels principle and its conservation properties remains unclear. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions and the unresolved nature of the relationships between the various principles discussed.

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The marshal art of Aikido is based on and is all about the law of lever.
Steven Sigal says: “Nobody bits me in the kitchen!”
 
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deda said:
The marshal art of Aikido is based on and is all about the law of lever.
Finally something that we can agree upon (sort of). Aikido and jiu-jitsu rely on an understanding of leverage.
Steven Sigal says: “Nobody bits me in the kitchen!”
Don't get me started on Seagal. He should spend less time in the kitchen, if you know what I mean. (He's getting soft!) :wink:
 
Archimedes used to say that give him a place to stand and he can use the level to move the earth.

At his time, there was no quantum physics and Planck constant. So he couldn't have known that the action principle is based on the level.

100 years later, Planck couldn't have known about particle physics, quantum field theories with all its problems of uniting the forces of nature. Now, the Higgs field can be explained by using the principle of double actions, which is based on applying the level twice.

Mass and Energy can be described by the principle of double levels action.

This double levels principle is a Local Infinitesimal Motion (LIM) of one dimensional space.

The problem is how to use existing math to describe the LIM and to assert that this LIM is conserved and is another invariant quantity of nature by the principle of directional invariance.
 
A first shot at its math expression for the double action is:

[tex]r_i \times F_i \cdot r_j \times F_j[/tex]
 
Antonio Lao said:
A first shot at its math expression for the double action is:

[tex]r_i \times F_i \cdot r_j \times F_j[/tex]
Ok, I expected an equal sign in your reply but you have my attention any way. I’m curious if that double lever thing of yours can finally give me the vector relation of the forces and distances in a multi particle lever as shown here: www.geocities.com/dr_physica/bla_bla.htm

Also, I doubt that vector product can have anything to do with it cause it depends on the angle between the crossing vectors thus it doesn't cover collinear vectors for instance.
 
Torque is equal to the vector product of r and F.

[tex]r \times F[/tex]

The scalar product of two torques is the square of energy and if energy is conserved then the square of energy is also conserved. LIM is conserved because the square of energy is conserved.
 

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