How Do You Find the Volume of Water in a Leaking Cylindrical Bucket Over Time?

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The discussion centers on finding the volume of water in a leaking cylindrical bucket over time, exploring the relationship between pressure, volume, and the rate of leakage. Participants engage with the mathematical modeling of the problem, including integration and the effects of changing pressure as the water level decreases.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and attempts to derive the volume function, expressing uncertainty about their approach.
  • Another participant clarifies that the derivative of volume with respect to time, V'(t), must be integrated to find the volume function V(t), questioning the constant of integration C.
  • A participant challenges the assumption that pressure remains constant, suggesting that pressure depends on the volume of water in the bucket.
  • Another participant provides a relationship between pressure and volume, proposing an exponential decay model for V(t) based on the derived equations.
  • One participant notes the need to express the volume in terms of height, while another confirms that the focus should remain on V(t).
  • A later reply agrees with the previous mathematical formulation, indicating some level of consensus on the approach taken.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the constancy of pressure and the appropriate form of the volume function. While some participants agree on the exponential model for V(t), the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of pressure changes and the integration constant.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the assumptions about pressure and the integration constant C, which remains undefined. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of how to express the relationship between volume and height.

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Readers interested in fluid dynamics, mathematical modeling of physical systems, or those seeking to understand the dynamics of leaking containers may find this discussion relevant.

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Problem:

A cylindrical bucket of cross-sectional area A has water in it up to an initial depth of d at t=0. The water has density p, an the gravitational acceleration is g. The water leaks out the bucket through a hole in the bottom with the rate of change of he volume of the water in the bucket proportional to the pressure in the bottom of he bucket, dV/dt=-kP, with k positive constant. Find the volume of the water in the bucket as a function of time.
I tried doing some of it but I'm not sure if I'm doing this right. Can someone help?
dV/dt=-kP = dV/dt= -k(d-g-p) = dV/(d-g-p)=-k dt = integral(dv/(d-g-p))=-kt+C
 
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dV/dt is the derivative of V(t) function. So if:

[tex]V'(t) = -kP[/tex]

You need to integrate it to find the actualy function V(t):

[tex]V(t) = -kPt + C[/tex]

But what is C? You can see that the function V(t) gets the value of C at t = 0. What is the volume of the water in the bucket right before it starts to leak?
 
How it can be true pressure is not constant
 
Yes, it does depend on the volume.

[tex]P = d\rho g = \frac{\rho g}{A}V[/tex]

[tex]V'(t) = -kP = -\frac{K\rho g}{A}V = -cV[/tex]

[tex]V(t) = V_0e^{-ct} = V_0e^{-\frac{K\rho g}{A}t}[/tex]

Where V0 is d0A. Is that more like it?
 
[tex]V=\pi r^2 h[/tex]
[tex]P= \rho g h[/tex]
So u can set up an equation from given condition that
[tex]\frac{dh}{dt}= - \frac{k\rho g }{\pi r^2} h[/tex]
 
They ask for the function V(t) though, not h(t).
 
Oh Yes I believe that's right
 

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