Homogenous Equation: Finding 'X' with Non-Invertible Matrix A | Solution Help

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the equation 'AX = B' where 'A' is a non-invertible matrix and 'B' is a given vector. Participants explore methods for finding 'X', including row reduction and substitution, while addressing the implications of 'A' being singular.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the challenge of finding 'X' since 'A' is not invertible and questions how to proceed without using 'A^-1'.
  • Another participant suggests that if 'A' were invertible, they would use the equation '(A^{-1})AX = (A^{-1})B' to find 'X'.
  • A different participant claims to have found 'X' as '2, 0, 1' through row reduction but seeks clarification on how this solution is derived.
  • Another response proposes using substitution and row operations to express the solution in terms of parameters, indicating that the solution may involve a family of solutions due to the singular nature of 'A'.
  • There is mention of the possibility of having a plane, line, or no solutions because of the singular matrix.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for solving the equation, with multiple approaches and interpretations being discussed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to find 'X' given the non-invertibility of 'A'.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of 'A' being singular and how that affects the existence and form of solutions. There are references to potential families of solutions and the need for parameterization, but no specific assumptions are clarified.

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Well here's the question:
Find 'X' where 'AX = '
6
8
4
and 'A = '
1 2 4
3 1 2
0 2 4
Now i would go ('AX')*('A^-1') which would clearly give me 'X' BUT 'A' is not invertible! So how do i do this? (by the way the ' is not part of the question).
:confused:

And then it says find the null vectors of A and hence the general solution. what do i do here?
 
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I thought it went this way:

[tex](A^{-1})AX = (A^{-1})\left(\begin{array}{c}6\\8\\4\end\right)[/tex]

True, A is not invertible. But, if it were, that's how I would have written that.
 
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That is the way its meant to go, but their still has to be some way (apparently using row reduction) to solve for 'X'. because 'X = '
2
0
1
which works. ie
1 2 4 | 2 6
3 1 2 | 0 = 8
0 2 4 | 1 4
but how do they get 'X'? :eek:
 
Go back and do your old fashioned solution by substitution, which is all you do with row operations. What you'll find is that you end up with an equation in two unknowns, say ax+by=c

let x=t some parameter, solve for y in terms of t, put thos back into one of the original equation to get z in terms of t - you've thus solved the equation for the family of solutions.

Other options might happen because for a singular matrix, their maybe a plane of, a line of, or no solutions.
 

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