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| Jan17-08, 11:59 PM | #1 |
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Singular Points
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Find the singular points for: x' = ax - bxy y' = bxy - cy 2. Relevant equations 3. The attempt at a solution ax - bxy = 0 bxy - cy = 0 implies x = 0 or y = a/b y = 0 or x = c/b the the critical points are (o,o) or (c/b, a/b) why is (0, a/b) and (c/b, 0) NOT a critical point?? |
| Jan18-08, 04:43 AM | #2 |
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| Jan18-08, 04:49 AM | #3 |
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Why would you think they would be? They clearly don't satisfy the equations you give.
When you have a system of non-linear equations with several different solutions, the x and y are not independent- you can't just combine any value of x with any value of y: it is the specific x, y pair that satisfies the equations. |
| Jan18-08, 05:47 PM | #4 |
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Singular Points
Oh I see my mistake.
I thought that they were dependent. |
| Jan18-08, 07:08 PM | #5 |
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I have been working with the equations:
x' = rx - sxy/(1+tx) y' = sxy/(1+tx) - wy I find that the only singular point is (0,0) is this correct? I got another point, ( w/(s-w) , r/s ), however, that cannot be a critical point because when substituting, x' and y' fail to be 0. |
| Jan19-08, 05:09 AM | #6 |
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The equations for a critical point are x'= rx- sxy/(1+ tx)= 0 and y'= sxy/(1+ tx)- wy= 0. The first gives sxy/(1+ tx)= rx and the second sxy/(1+ tx)= wy. Since the left sides of both equations are the same, rx= wy. Every point on the line y= (r/w)x (or, if w= 0, the line x= 0) is a singular point. |
| Jan19-08, 10:55 AM | #7 |
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x(r-sy/(1 + tx)) = 0 x= 0 and (r-sy/(1 + tx)) = 0 since x = 0 r-sy = 0 therefore, y = r/s similarly we do that for y'= sxy/(1+ tx)- wy= 0 and we get y = 0 and x = w/(s-w) when I substitute y= (r/w)x into x'= rx- sxy/(1+ tx), x' is NOT zero. So how could this line be a line of singular points? |
| Jan19-08, 11:03 AM | #8 |
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also, what are the differences between equilibrium solutions and singular points?
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