Solving Linear Systems: Verify Your Solution

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of linear equations, specifically the equations 4x + 3y = 13 and 5x + y - 8 = 0. Participants explore various methods for finding solutions, including substitution, elimination, and trial and error, while also touching on related topics such as quadratic equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a solution using elimination, arriving at x = 1 and y = 3, and verifies the solution against both original equations.
  • Another participant offers a substitution method, also concluding with x = 1 and y = 3, and confirms the solution through verification.
  • Some participants express a preference for trial and error methods, suggesting that it can be a quick way to find solutions for simple equations.
  • Discussion shifts to quadratic equations, with one participant sharing their enjoyment of factoring methods and suggesting that others might find it fun as well.
  • Another participant questions the ability to always solve quadratic equations by factoring, acknowledging uncertainty about the conditions under which factoring is possible.
  • A participant challenges the assumption that x must be less than or equal to 3 for the linear equations, providing a counterexample with a much larger x value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the solutions x = 1 and y = 3 for the linear equations, but there is no consensus on the best method for solving them. Additionally, there is uncertainty regarding the conditions for solving quadratic equations by factoring, with differing opinions on the matter.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express limitations in their understanding of quadratic equations and the conditions under which they can be factored. There is also a lack of clarity on whether the discussion is restricted to integer solutions for the linear equations.

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Solve the following system of linear equations. Verrify your solution.

4x + 3y = 13

5x + y - 8 = 0
 
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4x + 3y = 13
5x + y = 8

Multiply the 2nd equation by -3...this is done in preparation for the next step, you multiply by a number to get one of the variables to cancel each other out...
4x + 3y = 13
-15x + -3y = -24

Now, you can add the two rows together...
-11x + 0y = -11
x = 1

Now, put it in either of the two original equations...I'll use the 2nd...
5(1) + y - 8 = 0
5 + y - 8 = 0
y - 3 = 0
y = 3

And, you can check both equations...
4(1) + 3(3) = 4 + 9 = 13
5(1) + 3 - 8 = 5 + 3 - 8 = 0
 
Or, you can do it this way...

4x + 3y = 13
5x + y - 8 = 0, which is the same as: y = -5x + 8

Then, substitute y= - 5x + 8 into the first equation...

4x + 3(-5x + 8) = 13
4x - 15x + 24 = 13
-11x = -11
x = 1

Then, put it back into the original equation...
y = -5x + 8
y = -5(1) + 8
y = -5 + 8
y = 3

And the verification is the same as the one in the first post I made since we got the same solutions.
 
I prefer do it by elimination. Man, that stuff was fun!
 
Chrono,
If you liked that, you might enjoy using the factoring method to solve quadratic equations. For quadratic equations in standard form
a*x^2+b*x+c=0
where a does not equal 0, the factoring method finds the roots of the above equation by finding the m, n, p, and q : (m*x+n)*(p*x+q)=a*x^2+b*x+c=0.
Since (m*x+n)*(p*x+q)=0, (m*x+n)=0 and/or (p*x+q)=0. And so once you find m, n, p, and q, you can solve (m*x+n)=0 and (p*x+q)=0 for x, and those two x are the roots of your quadratic equation.
I used to like choosing nonzero rational a, b, and c at random and then factoring a*x^2+b*x+c=0. This is the same as finding the n, m, p, and q that satisfy
a=m*p
b=(m*q)+(n*p)
c=n*q
I found it fun and relaxing to solve these by trial and error. Maybe you'll like it too.
Happy thoughts
Rachel
P.S. You might want to let a=1 the first few times, and just try to find
n+q=b
n*q=c
You can also try factoring polynomials of higher degree. Have fun :)
 
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honestrosewater said:
Chrono,
If you liked that, you might enjoy finding roots of quadratic equations. Just randomly pick three nonzero real numbers, a, b, c, and try to find real roots of ax^2+bx+c=0, i.e., the m, n, p, and q : (mx+n)*(px+q)=ax^2+bx+c. I used to have fun doing this the "hard" way- it was quite relaxing, but then again I'm quite odd ;)
Happy thoughts
Rachel

what if you couldn't factor a, b, & c to be in that form?
 
NSX,
I am having a bad night. I will edit my previous post and answer your question.
Rachel
 
For simple simultaneous equations like these

4x + 3y = 13

5x + y - 8 = 0

I find it easier to solve by trial and error. I mean, x can't be more than 3 because 4x + 3y = 13. It only takes me 5 seconds to find that x = 1 and y = 3 by this method.
 
NSX,
I would just pick different a, b, and c :) it is for fun, after all.

But if you want to know if you can always solve by factoring, I don't know :redface:
One should be able to figure it out, but I am not in the right mind to do it now. Perhaps later :) You could start by noting that
a*x^2+b*x+c=0, a[not=]0
always has solutions if you let a, b, c, and x be complex.
Happy thoughts
Rachel
EDIT- I cheated and found that several sites say that not all quadratic equations can be solved by factoring. Of course, I'm still not sure why this is.
 
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I find it easier to solve by trial and error. I mean, x can't be more than 3 because 4x + 3y = 13.

Oh? That's only true if you're looking for positive, integer solutions (and I see no mention of these restrictions). Constructing /a/ solution to that equation with x > 3 is simple, take x = 10^6 and y = -1333329 for example.
 

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