Understanding Composition of Point Symmetry Generators in Lie Algebras

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The discussion revolves around the composition of point symmetry generators in Lie algebras, focusing on the mathematical operations involved and the understanding of the final expressions derived from these operations. The scope includes technical explanations and mathematical reasoning related to the computation of derivatives in this context.

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  • Staffan expresses confusion about the final expression resulting from the composition of two operators and seeks clarification.
  • A participant suggests that performing the calculations is essential for understanding, emphasizing the importance of computation in learning mathematics.
  • The same participant provides a detailed breakdown of the operators Z1 and Z2, noting the differences in the functions multiplying the derivatives and outlining steps for calculating Z1Z2(f).
  • Another participant acknowledges having attempted the calculations but struggles with obtaining the first derivatives correctly.
  • A different participant expresses frustration with the tedious nature of such calculations.

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Participants generally agree on the necessity of computation for understanding the topic, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations or the final expressions, as some struggle with the details while others provide differing levels of assistance.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific calculations and the assumptions made about the functions involved, particularly the choice of variables x and u instead of x and y.

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I am taking a first course in Lie algebras and currently working with this problem (see attached file). I understand that the product of the two operators should be regarded as composition. How to explain the final expression?
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Staffan
 

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Haven't you tried just doing the computation? That's how you learn mathematics- not just by looking at formula and expecting to understand them, but by actually doing the calculations!

You are given that
Z_j= \xi_j(x,u)\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+ \chi_j(x,u)\frac{\partial}{\partial u}
for j= 1 and 2. In other words, the difference between Z1 and Z2 is the functions multiplying the derivatives.

If f is any function of x and u (any reason for using x and u instead of x and y?) then
Z_1 Z_2(f)= \xi_1(x,u)\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+ \chi_1(x,u)\frac{\partial}{\partial u}[ \xi_2(x,u)\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}+ \chi_2(x,u)\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}]
= \xi_1(x,u)\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[\xi_2(x,u)\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}+ \chi_2(x,u)\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}]+ \chi_j(x,u)\frac{\partial}{\partial u}[\xi_2(x,u)\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}+ \chi_2(x,u)\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}]
= \xi_1\xi_2\frac{\partial^2 f}+ \xi_1 \frac{\partial \xi_2}{\partial x}\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}+ \cdot\cdot\cdot

Finish that, then do the same for Z_2Z_1 and subtract. All the second derivative terms (those not involving derivatives of \xi_1, \xi_2, \chi_1, or \chi_2) will cancel leaving only first derivative terms.
 
Yes, I *have* calculated but I didn't manage to get the 1st derivatives right. Thanks a lot!
 
Yeah, I hate tedious calculations like that!
 

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