Fibonacci Formula: Find Nth Term in Sequence

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The discussion revolves around the formula for finding the nth term in the Fibonacci sequence, exploring various methods of derivation, including recursive definitions and matrix approaches. Participants share their understanding and challenges related to the topic, with some seeking clarification on specific mathematical steps.

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  • One participant expresses curiosity about a formula for the nth term of the Fibonacci sequence, indicating difficulty in understanding the concept.
  • Another participant references a Wikipedia article that discusses the relationship of Fibonacci numbers to the Golden Ratio.
  • A participant suggests that deriving the formula requires knowledge of elementary linear algebra and matrix diagonalization, describing the process briefly.
  • Another participant admits to having limited knowledge of matrices and seeks clarification on the recursive definition used in the Fibonacci sequence.
  • One participant mentions that there are likely multiple methods to derive the Fibonacci formula, but they are only familiar with the matrix approach.
  • A detailed explanation of the recursive rule and the derivation of the Fibonacci formula using a quadratic equation is provided, including the general solution involving constants A and B.
  • A participant requests assistance in solving for the constants A and B from the equations derived from the Fibonacci sequence.
  • Another participant suggests a substitution method to solve the simultaneous equations for A and B, which is acknowledged by the requester.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for deriving the Fibonacci formula, with multiple approaches discussed and some participants expressing uncertainty about their mathematical skills.

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Some participants indicate limitations in their mathematical background, which may affect their understanding of the derivation process. There is also a reliance on specific mathematical techniques that may not be universally familiar to all participants.

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im just curious. is there a formula for the fibonacci formula in terms of..well terms. like the nth term =..?
iv been trying to figure it out for a couple of days now but am not that smart.
 
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You could derive it, if you know enough elementary linear algebra and in particular diagonalisation of matrices. It's not that difficult. You start off with recursive definition of the n+1 and nth term and n-1 term, put them all into a matrix and show that it is diagonalisable, then write out the matrix equation.
 
done the algebra but have only learned +-x/ matrices.
how does the n+1 thing work
like i said am not that smart.
 
The terms in a Fibonacci sequence obey the recursive rule Fn+2= Fn+1+ Fn. One common way of solving such equations is to try a solution of the form Fn= an. Then Fn+1= an+1 and Fn+2= an+2 so the equation becomes an+2= an+1+ an. Dividing by an gives a2= a+ 1 or a2- a- 1= 0. Solving that by the quadratic formula,
a= \frac{1\pm\sqrt{5}}{2}
In other words,
F_n= \left(\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n
and
F_n= \left(\frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n
both satisfy Fn+2= Fn+1+ Fn.

Since that is a linear equation, any solution of that equation can be written
A\left(\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n+ B\left(\frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n

Now, looking at the first two terms of the Fibonacci sequence
F_0= A+ B= 1
and
F_1=A\left(\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)+ B\left(\frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)= 1
gives two equations to solve for A and B.
 
Sorry for the bump, but could you show me how you would solve for A and B?

I'm not able to solve simultaneous equations in this form;

A + B = 1
Ax + By = 1

Thanks.
 
Simply let B=1-A and then substitute this into the second equation, solve for A there and then substitute back into the first to find B.
 
Of course! Solving by substitution. Thanks, I forgot about doing that.
 

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