Scattering-Transmission-Reflection in box potential? Help. Please. Please.

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of reflection and transmission of a plane wave interacting with a box potential in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the problem, specifically the Schrödinger equation, boundary conditions, and the physical implications of the reflection coefficient.

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  • One participant describes the potential regions and attempts to solve the Schrödinger equation, expressing confusion about the reflection coefficient r(k) and the amplitude A(k).
  • Another participant suggests clarifying the definitions of regions and questions the continuity condition mentioned, proposing that it may be a misunderstanding of established continuity conditions.
  • A third participant notes the requirement for the wave function to be zero in the region where the potential is infinite and introduces the concept of logarithmic continuity of the wave function.
  • Subsequent posts question the necessity and implications of the continuity conditions, with discussions on whether certain expressions are equivalent and how they relate to boundary conditions.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of notation and details in solving the problem, encouraging continued effort in the analysis.

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Participants express differing views on the continuity conditions and their implications, with no consensus reached on the correct interpretation or application of these conditions in the context of the problem.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of regions, boundary conditions, and the specific nature of the wave function being analyzed. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and assumptions that may affect the analysis.

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I'm trying to analyze the reflection of a plane wave of energy E on the box potential where

v(x)= 0 for x<-a
-Vnaught for -a<x<0
infinity for 0<x

and I'm trying to solve the schroedinger eqn. through:

Phi(x) = e^ikx + r(k)*e^-ikx in region 1
A(k)sin(k'x) in region 2

Continuity of phi and phi'/phi at x=-a.

I'm trying to solve for r(k) and A(k), so I've gone and derived all the nastiness, and I get something like r=2ikr'- r'' and A''/A= (-hbar^2/2m)-Vnaught-E


I'm supposed to be able to tell what it means physically that the abs. value of r(k) = 1? I can'tget r(k) to equal one, and I can't find A max. How would I do this?? :cry:
 
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I don't know the answer, but I can offer suggestions:

- Define your regions. We can guess/figure out what you mean by "region I" etc., but we don't really have any way of knowing.

- Why is there a continuity of phi'/phi. I've never heard of that. I suppose that says the same thing as continuity of phi', since continuity of phi has already been established?

- What are your B.C.'s at the other boundary (x = 0)?

- Is Phi(x) due to an incident particle at a particular momentum, or is this just a stationary state? I don't understand why you have r as a function of k unless Phi(x) is an integral over k.

- Should A(k) really be A(k')?
 
if the potential at x=0 is infinite, the boundary condition requires that the wave function is zero, in this case for all x > 0. the condition [tex]\frac{\psi '(x)}{\psi(x)}[/tex] is called the logrithmic continuity of the wave function.

The original question was a tiny bit sloppy (sorry clumsy9irl) but I recognized it fairly quickly. Be careful in your notation, it is the little things that will jump up and bite you later.

keep working in this problem, the answer will come out. It is analogous to a 3-d shperical poential well.
 
Dr Transport said:
the condition [tex]\frac{\psi '(x)}{\psi(x)}[/tex] is called the logrithmic continuity of the wave function.
What condition? Did you mean something more like:

(1) [tex]\frac{\psi_1 '(x_0)}{\psi_1(x_0)} = \frac{\psi_2 '(x_0)}{\psi_2(x_0)}[/tex]

What I don't get is, if we impose:

(2) [tex]\psi_1(x_0) = \psi_2(x_0)[/tex]

then what does (1) say that (3) does not:

(3) [tex]\psi_1 '(x_0) = \psi_2 '(x_0)[/tex]
 
it is just a way to express the continuity of the wavefunction...
 
turin said:
What condition? Did you mean something more like:

(1) [tex]\frac{\psi_1 '(x_0)}{\psi_1(x_0)} = \frac{\psi_2 '(x_0)}{\psi_2(x_0)}[/tex]

What I don't get is, if we impose:

(2) [tex]\psi_1(x_0) = \psi_2(x_0)[/tex]

then what does (1) say that (3) does not:

(3) [tex]\psi_1 '(x_0) = \psi_2 '(x_0)[/tex]


(1) is nothing more than equation (3) divided by equation (2). Any two of these equations are enough to pin down the Boundary Conditions.
Cheers,
Norm
 
Thanks, Dr Transport and Norman. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.
 

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