Is This Magnetic Generator Truly Self-Sustaining?

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The discussion centers around the concept of a magnetic generator purported to be self-sustaining. Participants explore the feasibility of such a device, questioning its validity and discussing the principles of perpetual motion machines, particularly in the context of magnetic systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a truly self-sustaining magnetic generator is not possible in this universe.
  • There are claims that the duration of operation depends on when the external power source is removed or turned off.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for deception in demonstrations, including the use of hidden power sources or external forces to create the illusion of self-sustainability.
  • One participant suggests that the speed of a motor in a video may indicate it is powered by a hidden battery, with magnets providing only minimal additional force.
  • Another participant describes a mechanism where a spinning top is influenced by small hand movements on a magnetic ring, suggesting a level of mechanical advantage rather than true self-sustainability.
  • There is a reiteration of the community guidelines regarding the discussion of perpetual motion machines, indicating that such topics are generally discouraged.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that perpetual motion machines do not work, but there is disagreement regarding the specific demonstrations and their validity. Multiple competing views remain on the nature of the devices discussed and their operational principles.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the mechanisms at play in the videos discussed, and there are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the claims of self-sustainability.

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is this magnetic generator self sustaining?
 
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Not in this universe
 
mgb_phys said:
Not in this universe

how long before it stops?
 
That depends on when the power source is removed or turned off.
 
Depends when the 'experimenter' stops supplying the external source of power that is really running it.
The easiest way to fake this one is a compressed air jet poitned at the edge of the pie dish or you have a second set of wires under the table to a battery - you could do it with an elctromagnet under the table but that's a lot more effort.
 
mgb_phys said:
Depends when the 'experimenter' stops supplying the external source of power that is really running it.
The easiest way to fake this one is a compressed air jet poitned at the edge of the pie dish or you have a second set of wires under the table to a battery - you could do it with an elctromagnet under the table but that's a lot more effort.

so is this fake also lol sorry for adding another
 
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Sorry perpetual motion machines don't work, and discussing thme here is generally frowned upon - people that believe in them aren't going to be convinced.

Magnet ones are favourites because magnets appear to posses some sort of weird energy, ie the 'magnet energy' that the magnet uses to keep itself stuck to the fridge - presumably a book uses shelf-energy to keep itself on the shelf.

Assuming that you are just interested in the video (and not another foaming at the mouth crank) - the video is a fun fake. From the speed the motor is spining it I would gues it is being driven by a hidden battery, moving the other magnet near it is probably just enough extra force to overcome the static friction or unbalance in the plate and start the motor spinning.

I haven't watched the other videos but they are ussually just more complicated versions of the same thing.
 
mgb_phys said:
Sorry perpetual motion machines don't work, and discussing thme here is generally frowned upon - people that believe in them aren't going to be convinced.

Magnet ones are favourites because magnets appear to posses some sort of weird energy, ie the 'magnet energy' that the magnet uses to keep itself stuck to the fridge - presumably a book uses shelf-energy to keep itself on the shelf.

Assuming that you are just interested in the video (and not another foaming at the mouth crank) - the video is a fun fake. From the speed the motor is spining it I would gues it is being driven by a hidden battery, moving the other magnet near it is probably just enough extra force to overcome the static friction or unbalance in the plate and start the motor spinning.

I haven't watched the other videos but they are ussually just more complicated versions of the same thing.

yes i agree that one is faked but the other one is more basic if you look at the next video i won't talk about it here again. the guy in this video seems like a nut. ufo etc but the last 30 seconds of the video experiment seems interesting
 
The spinning top is 'powered' by small movements of the hand holding the large magnetic ring. If the top is small and light enough and the ring has strong enough magnets then it acts rather like a level - a small movement of the ring creates a large force on the spinning top.
 
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mgb_phys said:
The spinning top is 'powered' by small movements of the hand holding the large magnetic ring. If the top is small and light enough and the ring has strong enough magnets then it acts rather like a level - a small movement of the ring creates a large force on the spinning top.
ty i agree sorry was bored looking at videos and came upon this
 
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Please re-read the PF Guidelines that you had agreed to. Perpetual motion machine discussion is one of our banned topics.

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