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| Nov30-08, 10:31 PM | #1 |
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First order linear differential equation
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Solve this differential equation: (y^2 +1)*dx + (2xy + 1)*dy = 0 2. Relevant equations dy/dx + P(x)*y = Q(x) u(x) = e^(integral of P(x)dx) (d/dx)(u(x)*y) = Q(x)*u(x) y = (integral of (Q(x)*u(x)dx))/(u(x) 3. The attempt at a solution I tried dividing by dx then distributing and rearranging to get it into the right form, but run into problems: y^2 + 1 + 2xy*dy/dx + dy/dx = 0 dy/dx + y/2x = (-1/(2xy))(dy/dx) -1/(2xy) this is the closest I could get it to the right form. It would give me u(x) = x^(1/2), but I wouldn't be able to integrate the right side as it would have both x and y. Is there a way to get past this, or did I just rearrange poorly? I just integrated it anyway and the part that was integrated with respect to x I held y as constant, and vice versa, but I'm sure it's wrong so I won't show how I did that. This is for a calc II class so it should be doable without any advanced tricks. thanks! |
| Nov30-08, 10:42 PM | #2 |
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That's an exact differential. You should show us how you did it wrongly by integrating. Because you should be able to do it that way.
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| Nov30-08, 10:55 PM | #3 |
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that's interesting. We haven't done exact differentials as far as I know, but since I don't know what that means perhaps we have!
dy/dx + y/2x = (-1/(2xy))(dy/dx) -1/(2xy) using u(x) = x^(1/2) integral of ((d/dx)(y*x^(1/2))dx) = integral of (-1/(2*x^(1/2)*y)(dy/dx)(dx)) - integral of (-1/(2*x^(1/2)*y)(dx)) I integrated with respect to y for the first one on the right side, treating x as a constant, and integrated with respect to x on the right side, holding y constant, to get: x^(1/2)*y = -1/(2*x^(1/2))*ln(abs(y)) - (x^(1/2))/y + C y = -1/(2*x)*ln(abs(y)) - 1/y + C/(x^(1/2)) |
| Nov30-08, 11:04 PM | #4 |
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First order linear differential equation
Another way to about doing this is to consider what d/dx( xy2) works out to be i.e. d(xy2)
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| Dec1-08, 08:13 AM | #5 |
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| Dec1-08, 11:37 PM | #6 |
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Oh, I think I know what to do then. I can flip my strategy around and solve for x instead:
(y^2 +1)*dx + (2xy + 1)*dy = 0 dividing by dy, distributing, and rearranging: dx/dy + 2x/y = - 1/y^2 - (1/y^2)*dx/dy therefore u(y) = e^(2*lny) = y^2 so (d/dy)((y^2)*x) = -1 - dx/dy integrating with respect to y (y^2)*x = -y - x + C Is this correct? Also, a question regarding my last integration with respect to y: when I integrate (dx/dy)*dy, I'm told that in situations like this "the dy's don't actually cancel out, but you can treat it as such." What *actually* happens then? Thanks for the help! |
| Dec2-08, 12:10 AM | #7 |
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You've got the right answer. f(x,y)=x*y^2+x+y=C. So (df/dx)*dx+(df/dy)*dy=0. I'm a little confused by your last question. If you are integrating dy, then C could be any function of x. But if you differentiate d/dx and d/dy, you can figure out what it is, right?
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| Dec2-08, 10:44 PM | #8 |
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Oh, sorry, for my last question I meant regarding the step where I integrated
integral of (-1-(dx/dy))dy I integrated by "distributing" the dy and "cancelling" it out on the right side to get int(-dy - dx) -y - x The step where I simplified (dx/dy)*dy to dx is what I was asking about. I remember hearing that technically that's not allowed, but it works out because it implies that you're actually doing something else, I think with substitution. I was wondering what implied substitution I was doing so I can more readily understand the integration (we've never worked with multiple variables before so it's a very new to me). |
| Dec2-08, 10:59 PM | #9 |
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(dx/dy)*dy IS dx. Technically, it's not allowed to deal with 'infinitesimal' quantities at all, since they aren't 'real' numbers. But that's a technicality. Do it anyway. Everybody else does.
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| Dec3-08, 01:26 AM | #10 |
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![]() This would probably a more organised method of arriving at the solution. What is also nice, is that you can test for the condition that it is an exact differential. |
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