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Old Apr19-09, 12:09 AM                  #1
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After a ligand bonds to a receptor through intermolecular forces, how is it unbound and what happens to it after it is?
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Old Apr19-09, 01:17 AM                  #2
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Re: ligands

The liganding species just goes back into solution.

It's 'unbound' the same way any chemical reaction is reversed, through thermal fluctuations.
If something binds strongly enough, it may never come unbound.

In many scenarios, you'll have a situation where some reaction occurs elsewhere which causes the bound state to rise in energy relative the unbound one.
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Old Apr19-09, 06:30 PM                  #3
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ooh so if it was a drug it would keep attaching to other receptors until it was metabolized?
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Old Apr19-09, 08:03 PM                  #4
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Re: ligands

It depends on the receptor and ligand. In some cases, the binding is not strong and easily reversed. The ligand will bind and release over and over, and you'd need a high concentration of ligand to be effective. In other cases, the ligand binds and isn't released until after the ligand-receptor complex is internalized and either split up by an enzymatic reaction that allows the receptor to be recycled, or the whole ligand-receptor complex is metabolized.
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Old Apr19-09, 08:21 PM                  #5
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ooh ok that makes sense tyvm!-
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Old Apr20-09, 01:38 PM                  #6
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Re: ligands

A colleague of mine helped me understand binding and unbinding this way:

Binding is a two-body problem- a chemical reaction A + B -> C, with a rate constant that depends on the concentration of both A and B.

Unbinding is a one-body problem, and can be thought of as equivalent to radioactive decay. The rate constant only depends on one object, and the binding rate constant may be different than the unbinding rate constant.
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Old Apr21-09, 07:32 PM                  #7
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ah i see so is that what biological half-lives are? i've heard the term, but i thought they were talking about the radioactive isotopes you ingest before scans
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