Work Done Moving Box on Inclined Plane: 160 Newton

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done in moving a 160 Newton box up a 10 meter long frictionless inclined plane at a 30-degree angle. Participants explore the relationship between force, displacement, and work in the context of physics principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formula for work, questioning the application of the dot product and the significance of the angle between force and displacement. There are attempts to clarify the reasoning behind the calculations and the implications of different forces applied during the motion.

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Some participants express confidence in their calculations, while others seek clarification on the formula used and the reasoning behind their results. There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with no explicit consensus reached regarding the correctness of the calculations.

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Participants mention differing opinions from classmates regarding the correctness of their answers, indicating potential confusion or misinterpretation of the concepts involved in calculating work.

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160 Newton box sits on 10 meter long frictionless plane inclined at an angke of 30 degrees to the horizontal. calculate the amount of work done in moving the box from the bottom to the top of the inclined plane.
 
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2Pac said:
160 Newton box sits on 10 meter long frictionless plane inclined at an angke of 30 degrees to the horizontal. calculate the amount of work done in moving the box from the bottom to the top of the inclined plane.
[tex]W = \vec{F}_{app} \cdot \Delta \vec{d}[/tex]
[tex]W = (m \vec{g} \sin \theta ) \cdot \Delta \vec{d}[/tex]
[tex]W = 800J[/tex]

Also, I don't believe the path matters, so you can treat the problem as simply lifting the 160N box a height equivalent to the heigh of the ramp:

W = 160N x (10m)[sin(30[itex]^{\circ}[/itex])] = 800J
 
thank you AKG. What is the deal with this formula. W=FD cos ? because i got 800J as well and everyone in my class said i was wrong.
 
2Pac said:
thank you AKG. What is the deal with this formula. W=FD cos ? because i got 800J as well and everyone in my class said i was wrong.
The dot product between two vectors, [itex]\vec{u}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{v}[/itex] is:

[tex]\vec{v} \cdot \vec{u} = |\vec{v}||\vec{u}|\cos \theta[/tex]

where [itex]\theta[/itex] is the angle between [itex]\vec{u}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{v}[/itex]. And since the cosine function is symmetric about the y-axis, whether you measure from vector u to vector v, getting a positive angle, let's say, or measure from v to u, of course then getting a negative angle, it won't matter.

Now, Work is the dot product of the applied force and the direction of motion. The force you'd have to apply to push the block up the incline is obviously in the up-the-incline direction. That is also the direction of motion, so the angle between the two is zero, and cos(0) = 1. So, the work done is the magnitude of the applied force, times the magnitude of the displacement (times 1). The magnitude of displacement is 10m. If you draw the free-body diagram, you'll see that there's a normal force and gravitational force. Part of the gravitational force is counterbalanced by the normal force, and part of it would then have to be counterbalanced by the applied force, so you can calculate this applied force.

But what if you don't want to just counterbalance the applied force? What if you apply a greater force? The force-applied would be different, and you'd think you'd get a bigger result, right? No, because after some time you'd actually have to pull back on the object and apply a force opposite the direction of motion so that it stops at the end of the ramp. Or, maybe you'll only apply a force for the first 5 meters, then, having given it sufficient velocity, it slides to the top where it just stops. But in this case, although the applied force has increased (accelerating the block rather than just pushing it past equilibrium), the distance decreases. So no matter how you do it, if you bring it from rest at the bottom to rest at the top, the work will be the same.

Another way to calculate work is change in energy. At the bottom and top, it is at rest, so the kinetic energy change is zero. The gravitational potential energy changes, which is what I was getting at in the second approach where I said: "Also, I don't believe the path matters, so you can treat the problem as simply lifting the 160N box a height equivalent to the height of the ramp." Of course, I can't tell you why your class says you have it wrong. I'm pretty convinced I have it right... :wink:
 
After reading that i am too. thank you again.
 

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