How to Find the Volume Bounded by a Cylinder and Planes in the First Octant?

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a solid bounded by a cylinder and planes in the first octant, specifically defined by the cylinder \(y^2 + z^2 = 4\) and the planes \(x = 2y\), \(x = 0\), and \(z = 0\). Participants explore various methods for setting up the volume calculation, including the use of cylindrical coordinates and double integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the problem and seeks assistance.
  • Another suggests drawing a picture and working in cylindrical coordinates, questioning whether the original poster is stuck on limits of integration.
  • A participant proposes integrating along the y-axis using shells, suggesting the volume can be expressed as \(V = \int(2y\sqrt{4-y^2})dy\) from 0 to 2.
  • Some participants mention the potential necessity of using double integrals, with one stating that their teacher may prefer this method.
  • There is a discussion about setting up the volume integral as \(V = \int(\text{function}) \, dxdydz\) and converting to cylindrical coordinates, including the need for the Jacobian.
  • Another participant clarifies the limits for integration, providing inequalities for \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\) and suggesting a double integral setup.
  • One participant emphasizes that double integrals can be viewed as simplified triple integrals when calculating volume.
  • A later post simplifies the definition of volume as the triple integral of 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on whether to use double integrals or cylindrical coordinates for the volume calculation. There is no consensus on the preferred method or the necessity of certain integrals.

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Some participants indicate uncertainty regarding the limits of integration and the setup of the integrals, which may depend on specific interpretations of the problem's geometry.

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I'm kinda lost on this problem

"Find the volume of the give solid:
Bounded by the cylinder y^2+z^2=4 and the planes x=2y, x=0, z=0 in the first octant."

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
 
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First thing that helps is to draw a picture. Then, you'll see that it's helpful here to work in cylindrical coordinates. Are you stuck on the limits of integration or where?
 
Volume of region

In this case it doesn't seem like you need to use double integrals. you have y^2+z^2 = 4 and y = x/2 for one of the planes. If you draw the xy plane you will just have the line y=x/2. If you visualize any cross section of the cylinder made by placing a plane perpindicular to the xy and perpindicular to the xz plane, that the height of the cylinder at that point (the value of z) will be constant along the plane. So what I would do is, Integrate along the y-axis by breaking down the cylinder into shells.

so you get V = Integral(2*y*sqrt(4-y^2)dy, 0, 2). Which is solved by a simple substitution.
 
theFuture said:
First thing that helps is to draw a picture. Then, you'll see that it's helpful here to work in cylindrical coordinates. Are you stuck on the limits of integration or where?

That's the thing, I don't really understand how to do it with cylindrical coordinates.
 
doriang101 said:
In this case it doesn't seem like you need to use double integrals. you have y^2+z^2 = 4 and y = x/2 for one of the planes. If you draw the xy plane you will just have the line y=x/2. If you visualize any cross section of the cylinder made by placing a plane perpindicular to the xy and perpindicular to the xz plane, that the height of the cylinder at that point (the value of z) will be constant along the plane. So what I would do is, Integrate along the y-axis by breaking down the cylinder into shells.

so you get V = Integral(2*y*sqrt(4-y^2)dy, 0, 2). Which is solved by a simple substitution.

I think my teacher wants me to use double integrals...
 
ok, well first you should set it up so V=int(function) dxdydz. Then we'll change the function into cylindrical coordinates. To do this, remember x=rcostheta and y=rsintheta and z=z. You also need the Jacobian here.
 
theFuture said:
ok, well first you should set it up so V=int(function) dxdydz. Then we'll change the function into cylindrical coordinates. To do this, remember x=rcostheta and y=rsintheta and z=z. You also need the Jacobian here.

Why is there a dz in there, shouldn't it only be a double integral, since it's in that particular section?
 
Note that we have:
[tex]0\leq{x}\leq{2y}[/tex]
Also, we have: [tex]0\leq{z}\leq\sqrt{4-y^{2}}[/tex]
While [tex]0\leq{y}\leq{2}[/tex]
Hence, we have the double integral V:
[tex]V=\int_{0}^{2}\int_{0}^{\sqrt{4-y^{2}}}2ydzdy[/tex]
 
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Always recall that when finding volumes, these double integrals are simply "simplified" triple integrals.

The definition of volume is just the triple integral of a volume element dV.

Therefore

[tex]V=\int\int\int_E dV[/tex]

when the first integral is carried out, you are left with the integrand that arildno pointed out above this post.
 
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A dumbed down version of the definition I should point out is:

Volume is the triple integral of 1.
 

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