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Old Jun16-09, 01:11 AM                  #1
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are all "iff"s definitions?

are all statements of the form "p if and only if q" definitions or equivalences? can there be any iff statements that are not statements of equivalence?
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Old Jun16-09, 02:18 AM       Last edited by SW VandeCarr; Jun16-09 at 03:36 PM..            #2
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Re: are all "iff"s definitions?

Originally Posted by lolgarithms View Post
are all statements of the form "p if and only if q" definitions or equivalences? can there be any iff statements that are not statements of equivalence?
In logic there's material implication and strict implication which might be related to the notion of equivalence as follows:

In material implication we have P implies Q iff (P^Q)or(~P^Q)or(~P^~Q).

In strict implication we have P implies Q iff (P^~Q) is not possible. This is a modal logic which deals with the concepts of possibility and necessity.

My understanding is that 'equivalence' is more appropriate to saying that at least one formula can be substituted for another in some formal language which in this example would suggest material implication.

In strict implication, there is only one formula with no equivalent formulas for P=>Q Therefore I would think that this would be a case where 'iff 'that does not represent 'equivalence'. Strict implication is stronger than equivalence.

As for what a definition is, I think the basic truth tables of formal logic(s) are essentially axioms which conform to our intuition regarding some application.
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Old Jun16-09, 05:41 PM                  #3
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Re: are all "iff"s definitions?

Originally Posted by lolgarithms View Post
are all statements of the form "p if and only if q" definitions or equivalences?
"If and only if" is normally interpreted as a kind of logical equivalence. An equivalence states that two things are the same in some way. The precise way in which they are the same depends on the context and your definitions. What is your definition of iff? What do you think is the difference between a definition and a logical equivalence? Definitions aren't usually defined as precisely as logical equivalences are, but that two terms have "the same meaning" usually means that they are at least logically equivalent.
can there be any iff statements that are not statements of equivalence?
Sure, if you interpret iff to mean something other than equivalence.
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