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| Aug16-09, 05:46 AM | #1 |
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how to know here on what variable its a derivative of..(diff)
[tex](2x^2ylny-x)y'=y[/tex]
[tex](2x^2ylny-x)dy=ydx[/tex] then i divide both sides by dy [tex](2x^2ylny-x)=yx'[/tex] then i divide both sides by y [tex](2x^2lny-\frac{x}{y})=x'[/tex] [tex]x'+\frac{x}{y}=2x^2lny[/tex] so i have here a bernuly foruma i divide both sides by [tex]x^2[/tex] [tex]\frac{x'}{x^2}+\frac{1}{xy}=2lny[/tex] [tex]z=x^{-1}[/tex] [tex]z'=-1x^{-2}x'[/tex] [tex]-z'+\frac{z}{y}=2ln y[/tex] z is defined to be a function of x so [tex]z'=\frac{dz}{dx}[/tex] why the book interprets [tex]z'=\frac{dz}{dy}[/tex] ?? z is linked to y not in a direct way . but z linked to x in a direct way z and x are more close to each other. i cant see a mathematical way of figuring it out its all intuition.and i my intuition is very bad |
| Aug16-09, 05:52 AM | #2 |
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[tex]\frac{dz}{dx} = -\frac{1}{x^2}[/tex]
[tex]dz = -\frac{1}{x^2} dx[/tex] [tex]\frac{dz}{dy} = -\frac{1}{x^2} \frac{dx}{dy}[/tex] |
| Aug16-09, 06:12 AM | #3 |
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z=x'
z'=-x^(-2)x' i cant undestand how you cameup with the first step [tex] \frac{dz}{dx} = -\frac{1}{x^2} [/tex] i cant understand what are you doing here? |
| Aug16-09, 06:22 AM | #4 |
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how to know here on what variable its a derivative of..(diff)
and your conclution
doesnt show that z is a derivative by y it shows that z' is a derivative by x |
| Aug16-09, 09:25 AM | #5 |
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What I was doing up there was proving mathematically that [tex]\frac{x'}{x^2}[/tex] necessary equals [tex]-\frac{dz}{dy}[/tex]. The 1st step was obtained from your substitution variable [tex]z = x^{-1}[/tex].
On a more intuitive basis, what are you attempting to do when performing the substitution? It's to simplify the DE via substituting x with a new variable z, and thus why would there be a dx lying around after you have completed your substitution? If [tex]z' = \frac{dz}{dx}[/tex], then how are you going to solve [tex]-z'+\frac{z}{y}=2ln y[/tex]? You now have what, three variables? |
| Aug16-09, 09:52 AM | #6 |
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