Explosion Question did I do this correctly?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving an explosion that splits a mass into two parts. The original poster presents their calculations regarding the velocities of the resulting chunks after the explosion, questioning the correctness of their approach. The problem involves concepts of conservation of momentum and energy in the context of an explosion.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply kinetic energy calculations to determine the velocities of the chunks post-explosion. Some participants suggest using conservation of momentum and energy principles instead, questioning the assumptions made regarding energy transfer during the explosion.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some providing alternative approaches to the calculations. There is a recognition of the need to consider both conservation laws, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the correct method or final velocities.

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There are discussions about the assumptions regarding energy contributions from the explosion and the initial conditions of the system. Some participants express confusion about the original poster's calculations and the implications of the explosion on the system's energy.

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Hey all... I got an answer to this, but I'm not sure if I did it correctly.

q: A body of mass 8.0kg is traveling at 2.0 m/s under the influence of no external agency. At a certain instant an internal explosion occurs, splitting the body into two chunks of 4.0 kg mass each; 16 joules of translational kinetic energy are imparted to the two chunk system by the explosion. Neither chunk leaves the line of the original motion. Determine the speed and direction of motion of each of the chunks after the explosion.

a: I assumed the original block was just 2 4kg blocks with the same kinetic energy traveling in the same direction. (to the right)

Then, I subtracted 16J from the 8J of kinetic energy that the left most piece had because that's the way the 16J would be directed from the explosion.

When I put that into the calculation, I got 2.0 m/s (to the left) for the left block, and when I put 24 J (to the right) into the kinetic energy equation, I got the right block traveling 3.46 m/s (to the right).

Did I do this correctly??

Steve
 
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siemieniuk said:
a: I assumed the original block was just 2 4kg blocks with the same kinetic energy traveling in the same direction. (to the right)

Then, I subtracted 16J from the 8J of kinetic energy that the left most piece had because that's the way the 16J would be directed from the explosion.

When I put that into the calculation, I got 2.0 m/s (to the left) for the left block, and when I put 24 J (to the right) into the kinetic energy equation, I got the right block traveling 3.46 m/s (to the right).

Did I do this correctly??
Sorry, but I don't understand what you did here at all. What you need to do is use the idea of conservation of momentum:

[tex]\mathbf{p}_{tot} = \mathbf{p}'_{tot}[/tex]

where, if x is an initial quantity, then x' is the value after the explosion.

[tex]\mathbf{p}_{tot} = \mathbf{p}'_{tot}[/tex]

[tex]8.0kg \times 2.0m/s [forward] = 4.0kg(v'_1 + v'_2)[/tex]

[tex]4.0 m/s [forward] = (v'_1 + v'_2)\ \dots \ (1)[/tex]

Note: [itex]v'_1[/itex] and [itex]v'_2[/itex] are the final velocities of chunk 1 and chunk 2, respectively (although it doesn't really matter which chunk we call chunk 1 or chunk 2).

Also, from the law of conservation of energy:

[tex]\frac{1/2}(4.0kg)[(v'_1)^2 + (v'_2)^2] = 16 J[/tex]

[tex](v'_1)^2 + (v'_2)^2 = 8m^2/s^2\ \dots \ (2)[/tex]

Now, solve for your velocities using equations (1) and (2). I would suspect you might get two possible answers, one that [itex]v'_1 = v'_2 = 2.0 m/s[/itex] meaning that the explosion has no effect, or another solution which is the one you'd be looking for. Note, you can and should use the law of conservation of momentum because there are no external forces acting on the system, I believe. If this is wrong, let me know.
 
yea AKG i tried it and got 2m/s, therefore it had no effect, and they both had the same speeds.Btw how did you get 3.46m/s? Maybe you used another method...so either that or 2.82m/s of the sqrt of 8..
 
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AKG said:
Also, from the law of conservation of energy:

[tex]\frac{1/2}(4.0kg)[(v'_1)^2 + (v'_2)^2] = 16 J[/tex]

... If this is wrong, let me know.

I think that should be :

[tex]\frac{1}{2}(4.0kg)[(v'_1)^2 + (v'_2)^2] = 16J + \frac {1}{2}(8.0kg)(2.0m/s)^2[/tex]

The way you solved it, the explosion adds no energy to the system, so the final velocities will be the same as the initial velocities.

However, you are actually getting an extra 16J from some form of chemical energy.

Answer v1' = 0 m/s and v2' = 4 m/s.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
I think that should be :

[tex]\frac{1}{2}(4.0kg)[(v'_1)^2 + (v'_2)^2] = 16J + \frac {1}{2}(8.0kg)(2.0m/s)^2[/tex]

The way you solved it, the explosion adds no energy to the system, so the final velocities will be the same as the initial velocities.

However, you are actually getting an extra 16J from some form of chemical energy.

Answer v1' = 0 m/s and v2' = 4 m/s.
Yeah, that makes more sense.
 
thanks a million for the help
 

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