Is Nitrogen in the Atmosphere Really in the Gas Phase?

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The discussion revolves around the phase of nitrogen in the atmosphere, particularly questioning whether it can be considered in the gas phase given its critical temperature and the conditions present in the atmosphere. Participants explore concepts related to critical temperature and pressure, and their implications for the state of nitrogen.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that since the critical temperature of nitrogen is about 125 K, and atmospheric nitrogen is at approximately 300 K, it raises the question of whether nitrogen is in the gas phase or a superfluid phase.
  • Another participant counters that at normal pressures, nitrogen behaves as a gas at 300 K, indicating that high pressure is necessary for unusual behavior.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the meaning of "critical temperature," initially believing it to be the temperature above which a fluid is neither gas nor liquid.
  • One participant defines critical temperature as the temperature above which a gas cannot become liquid, regardless of pressure.
  • There is a request for a definition of "critical pressure," which is subsequently provided as the pressure required to liquefy a gas at a certain temperature.
  • Another participant elaborates on critical pressure, noting its role in the vaporization of liquids and the distinction between liquid and gas phases at the critical point.
  • One participant mentions that the critical point is where the distinction between liquid and gas phases disappears, suggesting that solids and liquids do not share this characteristic due to their crystalline structures.
  • A question is raised about the Clausius-Clapeyron relationship and its role in determining phase boundaries and critical points, with a personal note on difficulty in understanding this relationship during undergraduate studies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of critical temperature and pressure, with some definitions and understandings overlapping but no consensus reached on the implications for nitrogen's phase in the atmosphere.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the critical point and its characteristics, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the application of the Clausius-Clapeyron relationship and its experimental determination.

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I have just discovered that the critical temperature of (fluid) nitrogen is about 125 K. Since the nitrogen in the atmosphere is (I assume) at about 300 K (well above the critical temperature), does this mean that the nitrogen in the atmosphere isn't really in the gas phase, but rather in the superfluid phase?
 
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At normal pressures, nitrogen (as you may have noticed when you breath) is a gas at 300 K. Only at very high pressures will it behave strangely.
 
OK, that makes sense. Thanks. I'm still a little confused, though. What is the meaning of "critical temperature?" I used to think that it was the temperature above which a fluid is either or neither a gas or a liquid, just a fluid.
 
I believe critical temprature is the temperature above which a gas cannot become liquid, whatever pressure you apply to it. I hope I'm right.

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salamander,
Do you have a definition for "critical pressure?"
 
I'm quite sure critical pressure is the pressure it takes to liqudize a gas at a certain temperature. It can also be seen as the pressure at which a liquid will vaporize at a given temperature...
I think that's it, but just don't listen to me if you're about to conduct some experimentation that might be hazardus to yourself, the general public or property if the procedures that you plan to withtake depend on the information I gave you above. There, just putting that in for the legal record :biggrin:

Cheers.
 
salamander said:
I'm quite sure critical pressure is the pressure it takes to liqudize a gas at a certain temperature. It can also be seen as the pressure at which a liquid will vaporize at a given temperature...

I thought the critical point, whether thought of in terms of pressure or temperature, is the point at which there is no way to distinguish between a liquid or gas phase of a substance. Solids and liquids do not have this point due to the crystalline nature of solids and the lack thereof in liquids, thus making them distinguishable from one another. I would look in a thermodynamics website/textbook for more info.

Note the basis of LCD (liquid crystal displays) could be considered an exception to the solid/liquid phase differences.
 
quarkman said:
I thought the critical point, whether thought of in terms of pressure or temperature, is the point at which there is no way to distinguish between a liquid or gas phase of a substance.
That is correct. HERE is water's phase diagram. edit: still looking for a decent one for nitrogen.
 
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Doesn't the Clausius-Clapeyron relationship give the entire phase boundary for any substance? Is the critical point determined experimentally or can you determine it from this relation? I had a difficult time working with this relation in my undergraduate thermo course.
 

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