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| Dec12-09, 12:52 PM | #1 |
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This came up in a thread in Politics, and Integral and I thought it would be an interesting discussion on the impact on climate change.
There was a report in 2006 "Livestock’s Long Shadow –Environmental Issues and Options." The full report here http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.HTM The condensed version here http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...448/index.html |
| Dec24-09, 03:20 AM | #2 |
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Polllution (increase in the level of carbon over the years ) to me is the major player which brings climate change on earth.
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| Dec26-09, 12:57 PM | #3 |
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I will be adding to this thread as time permits. I hope we can get some discussion started.
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| Dec26-09, 01:19 PM | #4 |
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It's true that agricultural output doesn't seem to get much press. My impression is that people who wish to "save the planet" can't admit that there is a positive to the warming and those who are sure "it's all a conspiracy", won't ever admit to anything anyways. So, along we go.
Anyhow, here's the science backed statement with medium to low confidence: |
| Dec26-09, 06:06 PM | #5 |
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According to a recent poll of SUNY professors, overpopulation is the #1 environmental concern. So I am surprised that politicians and the press haven't made this an issue, especially after the UN came out with such an urgent warning of the consequences of overpopulation on the environment. But more on that to come.
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| Dec26-09, 06:42 PM | #7 |
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| Dec26-09, 06:48 PM | #8 |
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| Dec27-09, 12:48 AM | #9 |
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I remember the day you mentioned this thread Evo. I'm not surprised it took someone 12 days to respond. Where does one begin.
I think the problem with discussing this idea, is that most immediate solutions are politically unacceptable. One child per family is looked upon with either disdain or disbelief. Two children per family would simply keep us where we are at. And we are in a stinking mess as it is, IMHO. I can recall, that around the time I was 15, that there was much talk of overpopulation, and I sat down in front of my mothers mechanical calculator and started plugging in the 1 child per family numbers; just for fun of course. I wanted to see how long it would take to get back to 2 people. The number I recall was 720 years. Though today I come up with 600, so I'm sure I was much more thorough in my world almaniacal number crunching as a youngster. Anyways, my number crunching today says that the one child per family rule, world wide, would reduce the population to 1 billion in about 78 years. So with some worldwide education, I'm sure we can make a dent. I've done a bit of studying of the era this evening, and discovered what probably caused my interest back then: for people with more than 1 kid, which was probably everyone at the time. I was quite the gloater when China announced their one child policy a few years back, as it had mysteriously become my idea.But yes, our effect on the planet is pandemic. Deforestation, pollution, collapse of the fisheries, atmospheric alterations, to name a few. All can be directly linked to overpopulation. Looking at my world population numbers, I ran across the year 2525, which is when we will reach a hypothetical 100 quadrillion people(20 people per ft^2, including oceans), at our current growth rate. And it reminded me of that old song, regarding which on wiki someone posted the following: ps. I never had kids. pat on back, pat on back. |
| Dec31-09, 04:09 PM | #10 |
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Overpopulation where it is most prevalent (ie. in developing/third world nations) has a very limited impact on the enviroment - it is these 5 billion people who are effectively subsidising our extravagent, totally unsustainable lifestyles in the West. A huge chunk of the global populations can't afford meat, don't have access to electricity, don't drive cars, etc. And our population is, as OmCheeto points out, pretty much constant (if not in decline). PS Ishmael is very though provoking read! |
| Dec31-09, 08:02 PM | #11 |
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We have cut waaasaaay back on our beef consumption. I still love a good BBQ steak or prime rib from time to time, but only four or five times a years anymore. Beyond that, I might use about 12 Lbs of ground sirloin for tacos each year.
Coming soon: The McSyntheMac Also, twice I have posted the comment that the most important thing one can do to reduce their carbon footprint, is to not reproduce. We never had kids. |
| Dec31-09, 09:08 PM | #12 |
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...so the way that I see it, Tsu and I are entitled to live in a perpetual CO2 orgy.
![]() Heh, cap and trade for offspring! |
| Jan1-10, 01:35 AM | #13 |
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I was concerned about overpopulation, but I was recently reading Stewart Brand's new book "Whole Earth Discipline" which has a chapter on population. He mentioned that 59 countries have birth rates below replacement levels. The UN is currently projecting the whole world will drop below replacement level by 2045 at a population of 9 billion. Brand thinks that number is too high and estimates it will be closer to 8 billion. This is pretty startling change for Brand who was a supporter of Paul Ehrlich back in the seventies.
The numbers for Mexico were quite striking. 6.5 births per woman in the 70s down to 2 in 2008 and still dropping. This seems to be a product of urbanization. Over half the people in the world live in cities now and that may increase to 80% by 2050. It seems that all over the world, when women move to the city they lose interest in having children. |
| Jan1-10, 03:22 PM | #14 |
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And as for meat, if a local population can't sustain a bunch of chickens and goats, then they are overpopulated. A good thing no doubt. We really need to slow down and figure out how to take care of the people we've already got around us. A child mortality rate of 1 out of 8 children dying before reaching the age of 5 in less developed countries is very sad, to say the least. But this trend is fortunately on the decline also. |
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