Latex Derivative Help - Mistake Fixed

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The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule and product rule in calculus, specifically in the context of derivatives involving exponential functions. Participants are exploring the correct formulation of derivatives and addressing potential mistakes in the notation and application of these rules.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivative calculation involving the chain rule and product rule, questioning the use of \(\frac{dx}{du}\) in their expression.
  • Another participant points out a potential confusion regarding the variable \(y\), suggesting it should be defined as \(y = e^u\).
  • A later reply clarifies the application of the chain rule, indicating the need to compute \(\frac{d}{du} \left( \frac{dy}{dx} \right)\) as part of the derivative process.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether \(\frac{dx}{du}\) should actually be \(\frac{dy}{du}\), indicating a potential misunderstanding in their calculations.
  • A participant acknowledges their mistake and indicates they have resolved their confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct application of the derivatives, as there are competing views on the notation and the relationships between the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of the variables and the correct application of the chain and product rules, which may depend on the context of the functions involved.

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I posted the same thread twice. Oops. :-p
 
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[tex]x = e^u[/tex], where u is a function of x.

Using the chain rule:
[tex]\frac{dy}{du} = e^u\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]

Using the product rule:
[tex]\frac{d^2y}{du^2} = \frac{d}{du}(e^u\frac{dy}{dx}) = e^u\frac{dy}{dx}+e^u\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}\cdot\frac{dx}{du}[/tex]

Why is it [tex]\frac{dx}{du}[/tex]?
 
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What's this "y"-thingy?
It doesn't appear in your first line
 
(latex hint: you can use [ itex ] tags for formulas that go in a paragraph)

(Did you mean [itex]y = e^u[/itex]?)


Anyways, the chain rule says that:

[tex] \frac{dp}{dq} = \frac{dp}{dr} \frac{dr}{dq}[/tex]

In your calculation, you had to compute:

[tex] \frac{d}{du} \left( \frac{dy}{dx} \right)[/tex]

So, throw it into the chain rule and see what you get.
 
Bleh, I'm new to latex so I accidentally pressed the post thread button instead of the preview post one.

Anyway, let me elaborate.

[tex]x = e^u[/tex], where u is a function of x.

Using the chain rule:
[tex]\frac{dy}{du} = \frac{dy}{dx} \cdot \frac{dx}{du} = e^u \frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]

Now, using the product rule:
[tex]\frac{d^2y}{du^2} = \frac{d}{du}(\frac{dy}{du}) = \frac{d}{du}(e^u \frac{dy}{dx}) = e^u \frac{dy}{dx} + e^u \frac{d^2}{dx^2} \cdot \frac{dx}{du}[/tex]

My question is:
Shouldn't [itex]\frac{dx}{du}[/itex] be [itex]\frac{dy}{du}[/itex]?
 
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Nevermind. I see where I went wrong.
 

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