Immanuel Kant on Supersymmetry: a Practical Evaluation

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The discussion centers on the evaluation of supersymmetry in the context of Immanuel Kant's philosophical perspectives, particularly regarding the nature of belief and conviction in scientific claims. It explores the motivations for supersymmetry in astrophysics and particle physics, the lack of observational evidence, and the implications of betting as a means of assessing scientific theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a paper by Alexander Unzicker that reviews the motivations for supersymmetry and highlights the absence of observational evidence, suggesting a critical stance towards the prevailing expectations of its discovery at the LHC.
  • One participant argues that Unzicker's second paper should be categorized under scientometrics rather than physics, proposing that online prediction markets could serve as a new indicator of a subfield's promise, questioning how string theory would fare in such a system.
  • A quote from Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason" is shared, emphasizing the role of betting in distinguishing between mere persuasion and genuine conviction, suggesting that the act of betting can reveal uncertainties in scientific claims.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that if the theory of scientific revolutions holds, younger scientists may be more likely to be correct in their theories compared to older generations, implying a generational divide in scientific belief.
  • A later reply humorously expresses skepticism about the validity of the theory of scientific revolutions, indicating a reluctance to accept it as a basis for betting on scientific theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the categorization of Unzicker's work and the implications of betting in science. There is no consensus on the validity of the theory of scientific revolutions or its relevance to the discussion of supersymmetry.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying interpretations of Kant's philosophy and its application to contemporary scientific debates, as well as differing opinions on the role of generational perspectives in scientific theory acceptance.

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http://arxiv.org/abs/1003.2967
Immanuel Kant on Supersymmetry: A Practical Evaluation
Alexander Unzicker
4 pages
(Submitted on 15 Mar 2010)
"A short review of the motivations for supersymmetry in astrophysics and particle physics is given. Despite the amount of theoretical research conducted in the past decades, no observational evidence for supersymmetry has yet been found. While a large part of the community is expecting supersymmetry to be discovered in the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), some of the basic arguments in favor are disputed here. Since it is not excluded that the author's view may be biased by his research, he proposes a bet on the discovery of supersymmetric particles: According to the philosopher Immanuel Kant, the bet marks the difference between persuasion and conviction."

An earlier paper by the same author may also be of interest:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.0443
How to Determine the Probability of the Higgs Boson Detection
Alexander Unzicker
4 pages, 2 figures
(Submitted on 2 Dec 2009)
"The Higgs boson is the most important, though yet undiscovered ingredient of the standard model of particle physics. Its detection is therefore one of the most important goals of high energy physics that can guide future research in theoretical physics. Enormous efforts have been undertaken to prove the existence of the Higgs boson, and the physics community is excitedly awaiting the restart of the Large Hadron Collider at CERN. But how sure can we be that the Higgs exits at all? The German philosopher Immanuel Kant recommended betting at such controversial questions, and Stephen Hawking announced a $100 bet against the Higgs. But seriously, online prediction markets, which are a generalized form of betting, do provide the best possible probability estimates for future events. It is proposed that the scientific community uses this platforms for evaluation. See also an online description www.Bet-On-The-Higgs.com."
 
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Hmm... The 2nd paper should not be in the physics section of arXiv. It should be in scientometrics. Maybe online prediction market should one day replace peer review as an indicator of whether a subfield has promise. I'm wondering how string theory would do...
 
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A quote from Kant's Critique of Pure Reason:


The usual test, whether that which anyone maintains is merely his persuasion, or his subjective conviction at least, that is, his firm belief, is a bet.
It frequently happens that a man delivers his opinions with so much boldness and assurance, that he appears to
be under no apprehension as to the possibility of his being in error. The offer of a bet startles him, and makes him pause. Sometimes it turns out that his persuasion may be valued at a ducat, but not at ten. For he does not hesitate, perhaps, to venture a ducat, but if it is proposed to stake ten, he immediately becomes aware of the possibility of his being mistaken - a possibility which has hitherto escaped his observation.
 
If the theory of scientific revolutions is right, the bets ought to be broken out generationally. If you young people favor one theory, and the old ones another, the young people are more likely to be right.
 
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True, if...
ohwilleke said:
If the theory of scientific revolutions is right,...

But I wouldn't bet on the theory of scientific revolutions being right :biggrin:
 

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