Relativity Question: Two spaceships following each other near C

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter relativitydude
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Relativity
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of relative velocities between two spacecraft traveling at significant fractions of the speed of light, specifically in the context of special relativity. Participants explore the equations used to determine how one frame observes the velocity of another and clarify the implications of these calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the appropriate equation for calculating the relative velocity of two spacecraft following each other and suggests that frame A should perceive frame B as stationary if they have the same velocity.
  • Another participant confirms that if both spacecraft have the same velocity, special relativity equations are not necessary, and emphasizes the importance of a reference frame for measuring velocities.
  • A participant presents a scenario where ship A travels at 0.6c and ship B at 0.8c, proposing a calculation for the relative speed of ship B as observed from ship A, initially arriving at a value of 0.34c.
  • Further clarification is provided, correcting the calculation to suggest that ship A sees ship B moving at a speed of 0.38c, while also noting that the reverse observation holds true.
  • Another participant introduces an alternative equation for calculating the relative velocity, indicating the variety of approaches being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants demonstrate some agreement on the need for specific equations in special relativity when calculating relative velocities, but there is disagreement regarding the correct application of these equations and the resulting values for relative speeds.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations presented are dependent on the assumptions made about the reference frames and the velocities involved, and there are unresolved discrepancies in the proposed relative speed values.

relativitydude
Messages
70
Reaction score
0
Howdy,

What equations do I use to calculate how frame A observes frame B's velocity and vice versa if two spacecraft are following each other?

is it:

v = ux + v / ( 1 + (Ux*v)/(c^2))

I have a feeling it isn't since if both craft are traveling say, 2.5*10^8 m/s, then the observed speed from another frame is .98c off the top of my head. I know this is relativity and all, but shouldn't frame A perceive frame B as simply going 0 m/s?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
That is correct, if the 2 ships would have the same velocity then you do not need to use the equations of SR. Note that there must be some reference frame from which they measure a velocity of .95c. That is the frame which must use relativity calculate the ships speed and distance traveled.
 
Thanks.

Now let's say ship A is traveling .6c and ship B is traveling .8c, a would view b speed as...

v = ux - v / ( 1-(ux*v)/(c^2))

or

v = (.8c - .6c) / ( 1- (.6c*.8c)/(c^2) = .34c

so ship A view ships B as traveling .34c faster?
 
relativitydude said:
Now let's say ship A is traveling .6c and ship B is traveling .8c, a would view b speed as...
Assuming you mean that A travels at 0.6c and B travels a 0.8c with respect to some common frame.
v = ux - v / ( 1-(ux*v)/(c^2))
Right.
v = (.8c - .6c) / ( 1- (.6c*.8c)/(c^2) = .34c
Closer to 0.38c
so ship A view ships B as traveling .34c faster?
Ship A sees ship B moving at a speed of 0.38c with respect to ship A. And vice versa.
 
use:
[tex]u' = \frac {u+v}{1- \frac{uv}{c^2}}[/tex]
 
Thanks Everyone :)
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
3K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
4K
  • · Replies 35 ·
2
Replies
35
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 57 ·
2
Replies
57
Views
8K
  • · Replies 35 ·
2
Replies
35
Views
5K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
2K