What Is a Light Year? Understanding the Value of 1 Light Year

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a light year, specifically its value and how it is defined as a measure of distance. Participants explore the implications of light speed in relation to different frames of reference and engage in calculations to express the distance in various units.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a light year is the distance light travels in one year, questioning whether conversions to other units like meters or miles are needed.
  • There is a challenge regarding the accuracy of using light speed as a measure of distance, with some arguing that it depends on the observer's frame of reference.
  • One participant suggests that applying Relativity can help obtain a value for distance as observed from different frames.
  • Another participant provides a calculation to determine the distance of a light year, arriving at approximately 9.5 trillion kilometers.
  • Some participants express concern over the use of the term "value" in this context, suggesting it may not accurately reflect the concept of distance.
  • A participant presents an order of magnitude calculation to approximate the distance of a light year using basic values for time and speed of light.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and implications of a light year, particularly regarding the influence of the observer's frame of reference. There is no consensus on the interpretation of light speed as a measure of distance.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the constancy of the speed of light and its independence from observers, which may not be universally accepted. The calculations presented rely on specific definitions and approximations that could vary.

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what is the value of 1 light year
 
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lakshmi said:
what is the value of 1 light year
It is the distance light travels in one year. It, in itself, is a measure of distance so perhaps you're interested in converting this to meters? Miles?

Pete
 
pmb_phy said:
It is the distance light travels in one year. It, in itself, is a measure of distance so perhaps you're interested in converting this to meters? Miles?

Pete

A measure of distance? How can light speed be an accurate measure of distance when it travels with respect to an observer?
 
GOD__AM said:
A measure of distance? How can light speed be an accurate measure of distance when it travels with respect to an observer?
'distance' as in 'within your own frame of reference' (or one not in relative motion to yours); to obtain a value for the distance as observed by someone in a different frame, just apply Relativity!
 
The valua at which light travels in a year is approx. 9,500,000,000,000 kilometers.
 
GOD__AM said:
A measure of distance? How can light speed be an accurate measure of distance when it travels with respect to an observer?
Because the speed of light is independent of the observer. Therefore since all observers measure the same speed of light, 1 light year is a well defined quantity (although different observers measure different distances between events, but that's a whole different topic).

Pete
 
Here is the full Calculation:
[tex]v=\frac{d}{t}[/tex]

[tex]d=vt[/tex]
[tex]d=cy[/tex]

[tex]d=(3.0*10^8\frac{m}{s})(3.15*10^7\frac{s}{year})(\frac{1km}{1000m})[/tex]

[tex]d= 9 460 800 000 000km[/tex]
 
decibel said:
The valua at which light travels in a year is approx. 9,500,000,000,000 kilometers.
I think that you are taking liberties with the meaning of the word value.
 
GOD__AM said:
A measure of distance? How can light speed be an accurate measure of distance when it travels with respect to an observer?

Take a look at the definition of the SI meter sometime
 
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Here's a nice order of magnitude calculation. (No calculators needed.)

[itex]1\ yr \approx \pi\times 10^7\ s[/itex]
[itex]c \approx 3\times 10^8\ m/s[/itex]

[itex]1\ light\ yr=(c)(1\ yr) \approx (\pi\times 10^7\ s)(3\times 10^8\ m/s)=3\pi \times 10^{15}\ m[/itex]

You can work out the analogous approximation in feet using
[itex]c \approx 1\ ft/ns[/itex]
 

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