Quantum mechanics ground state

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The discussion revolves around the properties of quantum mechanical wavefunctions, specifically focusing on the ground state and its lack of nodes compared to the first excited state, which has one node. Participants explore the mathematical and physical reasoning behind these properties, as well as the implications of the Sturm-Liouville theory in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the energy of a wavefunction is inversely proportional to its curvature, suggesting that a wavefunction with nodes has higher energy than one without.
  • Others argue that the ground state being node-less is a fundamental property derived from the mathematical characteristics of Hermitian operators and their eigenfunctions.
  • A participant questions whether the wavefunction can always be expressed in the form of a polynomial expansion and seeks alternative proofs for the node-less property of the ground state wavefunction.
  • Another participant suggests that the expression for the wavefunction is a general polynomial function, indicating that it is rooted in the theory of eigenfunctions and eigenvalues.
  • One participant mentions that the 1D Schrödinger equation is a Sturm-Liouville equation, which relates to the general properties of node counts, although they note that the proof is complex.
  • A later reply provides a reference to an external source for further details on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and interpretation regarding the properties of wavefunctions, with no clear consensus on the necessity of the node-less property or the general form of the wavefunction. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views and questions raised.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions and conditions are not fully explored, such as the implications of symmetry in quantum systems and the specific cases where the ground state may not be node-less. The discussion also touches on the complexity of proofs related to Sturm-Liouville theory without resolving these complexities.

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Why must the ground state not have a node? And the first excited state must have 1 node.
 
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jasony said:
Why must the ground state not have a node? And the first excited state must have 1 node.

Excellent questions. The first thing to understand is that the energy of a wavefunction is inversely proportional to its curvature ... more sharply curved --> higher energy. Second, if a wavefunction crosses the abscissa (i.e. goes through zero) exactly once, then it must necessarily have higher curvature than a wavefunction that never crosses the abscissa (assuming all the other requirements for QM wavefunctions are satisfied). So, for a given Hamiltonian, the energy of a one-node wavefunction must always be higher than a no-node wavefunction.

Now, that doesn't really answer your first question. To understand that, you need to know that the Hamiltonian is a Hermitian operator, and the eigenfunctions of a Hermitian operator form a complete, orthonormal set. Note also that the ground and first-excited state we are talking about here are eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian as well. So, in most analytically solvable cases, the mathematical expressions for the eigenfunctions are actually in the form of orthogonal polynomials ... that is:

\psi_n(x)=N_ng_n(x)\sum_i{c_{n,i}x^i}

where n is a quantum number indexing the states, Nn is a normalization constant, gn is a node-less, non-polynomial function such as an exponential or a gaussian, and the cn,i are the expansion coefficients of a polynomial, which are chosen to ensure that polynomials of different order are orthogonal to each other. Clearly, there should be a polynomial of order zero, which will be node-less.

So, given the above points, I hope it is clear that, the node-less quality of the ground state is a fundamental property arising from the physical and mathematical aspects of quantum mechanics.

Note that I have made some simplifying assumptions in the above discussion, for example, if your system has symmetry, then it may not be true that the lowest energy state within a given irreducible representation is node-less, however it should be true that wavefunctions with more modes will have higher energies. I am not actually sure that it holds in *all* cases, although it certainly holds for intro level QM, and I cannot think of any cases where the ground state is *not* node-less.
 
Can we always write the wavefunction as \psi_n(x)=N_ng_n(x)\sum_i{c_{n,i}x^i}?

Why?

Is there other simple proof for the nodeless property of ground state wavefunction?
 
jasony said:
Can we always write the wavefunction as \psi_n(x)=N_ng_n(x)\sum_i{c_{n,i}x^i}?

Why?

Is there other simple proof for the nodeless property of ground state wavefunction?

that is just the most general polynomial function and the argument is actually the most simplest explanation I have seen. It is just theory of eigenfunctions and eigenvalues, go study functional analysis :)
 
jasony said:
Can we always write the wavefunction as \psi_n(x)=N_ng_n(x)\sum_i{c_{n,i}x^i}?

Why?

Since \sum_i{c_{n,i}x^i} is a polynomial and the only requirement of g_n(x) is that it is a non-polynomial, it follows that \psi_n(x) can be any function which satisfies the normalization requirement. Therefore, it can also be any wavefunction.
 

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