Geometry: Solving for the Area of Triangle BOC

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The discussion revolves around determining the area of triangle BOC given certain parameters about triangles AOB and COD, including the lengths of parallel lines AB and DC, and the area of triangle AOB. Participants explore whether the information provided is sufficient to solve the problem and discuss various assumptions and methods to approach the solution.

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  • Some participants suggest that the triangles are isosceles and that certain angles are equal, which may help in finding the area of triangle BOC.
  • Others argue that the problem lacks sufficient information unless specific assumptions are made about the positioning of the parallel lines.
  • A participant mentions that triangles AOB and COD are similar, leading to proportional relationships that could aid in solving for the area of triangle BOC.
  • One participant proposes calculating the height of triangle AOB and using it to find the height of triangle BOC based on the similarity of triangles.
  • Another participant suggests moving the parallel lines to create right angles, which allows for a clearer calculation of the area based on the known dimensions.
  • Some participants provide alternative methods for calculating the area of triangle BOC, arriving at the same numerical result of 18, but through different reasoning paths.

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Participants express disagreement on whether the problem provides enough information to solve for the area of triangle BOC without making assumptions. Multiple competing views on the approach to the solution are present, and no consensus is reached.

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Participants highlight that the positioning of the parallel lines can significantly affect the calculations, and assumptions about their relative positions may lead to different interpretations of the problem.

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Geometry...is it solvable?

from the diagram, if AB parellel to DC, and AB = 3cm , DC = 9cm , if the triangle AOB has area 6cm^2 , then find the area of the triangle BOC.

IS this question has enough information to sovle ? if u feel yes, please show me u solution, thanks you.
 

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its doable, have fun.

you got to assume a few things here..

first the triangles are isosceles.

then 'some' angles are equal and then you got to see a trapezoid there.. and the area of a trapezoid is.. and so on. you have to kno what the relationship between height and base of a triangle is and what it equals to, as well as proportions of the thing.

and finally once you find area of the trapezoid, you substract the triangles and divide by two to find your BOC = AOD.

hope it helps.. if not.. then i totally just foobared 30 minutes on this thing and donno anything (its probable)
 
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The triangles AOB and COD are similar triangles. Since DC is 3 times as long as AB, OC is 3 times as long as AO and OD is 3 times as long as OB. That shouold help.
 
Well I'll try to give some help,

Just solve for the 'height' of Triangle AOB. After that you know that the height of triangle BOC is 3 times bigger, since similar triangles as indicated by Halls.

You know that triangle BDC - triangle DOC = triangle BOC

The height of triangle BDC is equal to the height of the figure which is four times bigger than the height of triangle AOB, since h + 3h = 4h.

now you have enough information to solve the problem.

hope this helps.
 
scoutfai said:
from the diagram, if AB parellel to DC, and AB = 3cm , DC = 9cm , if the triangle AOB has area 6cm^2 , then find the area of the triangle BOC.

IS this question has enough information to sovle ? if u feel yes, please show me u solution, thanks you.

No it does NOT have enough information to solve UNLESS you assume something. The problem is that AB and be in many places relative to DC as long as it is parrallel and has the right area. Think of it this way: If you move AB to the right in the picture, the area doesn't change (right?). But even if it did, you could just move the line up or down (always remember not to guess anything from the appearance of a drawing, assume they are out of scale etc etc)
 
Alkatran said:
No it does NOT have enough information to solve UNLESS you assume something. The problem is that AB and be in many places relative to DC as long as it is parrallel and has the right area. Think of it this way: If you move AB to the right in the picture, the area doesn't change (right?). But even if it did, you could just move the line up or down (always remember not to guess anything from the appearance of a drawing, assume they are out of scale etc etc)

uhh, even if you move it anywhere, but it's still within the problem's conditions, aren't the triangles still proportional any ways? So why can't you figure it out?
 
Since you can move the parallel lines relative to each other left and right all you want without affecting any of the areas, move them until AC is vertical, making CAB and ACD right angles. From the area of triangle AOB and the length of AB you already know that the HEIGHT (shortest distance between O and AB) is 4 cm. When (and only when) you have the figure skewed as I said, that distance equals AO. If you look at it, you have a "slope" diagram: you go 3 to the left and 4 down. You want to go 9 more to the left to get to the lower line, so OC (in the skewed figure only) is proportionately longer, 12 cm. Now, you have both the base and the height of triangle BOC: the base (in the skewed figure) is OC, which is 12, and the height (in the skewed figure) is AB, which is 3. So the area of triangle BOC is 18.
 
Bartholomew said:
Since you can move the parallel lines relative to each other left and right all you want without affecting any of the areas, move them until AC is vertical, making CAB and ACD right angles. From the area of triangle AOB and the length of AB you already know that the HEIGHT (shortest distance between O and AB) is 4 cm. When (and only when) you have the figure skewed as I said, that distance equals AO. If you look at it, you have a "slope" diagram: you go 3 to the left and 4 down. You want to go 9 more to the left to get to the lower line, so OC (in the skewed figure only) is proportionately longer, 12 cm. Now, you have both the base and the height of triangle BOC: the base (in the skewed figure) is OC, which is 12, and the height (in the skewed figure) is AB, which is 3. So the area of triangle BOC is 18.

i had the same answer as Bartholmew...
 
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Bartholomew said:
Since you can move the parallel lines relative to each other left and right all you want ... So the area of triangle BOC is 18.

Here's an alternate method:

The vertical separation between AB and DC is 16 which makes the area of ABC = 24 so the area of BOC = 24 - 6 = 18.
 

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