Star formation and distribution in spiral galaxies

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The discussion revolves around the formation and distribution of stars in spiral galaxies, particularly focusing on the characteristics of the nucleus and the spiral arms. Participants explore why star formation predominantly occurs in the spiral arms rather than in the nucleus, examining various factors influencing this phenomenon.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the nucleus of a spiral galaxy primarily contains old population II stars and lacks star formation, while star formation is more prevalent in the spiral arms.
  • One participant suggests that strong tidal forces from the supermassive black hole at the galaxy's center require higher density material for gravitational collapse, which is hindered by larger magnetic fields and increased metallicity in the central region.
  • Another participant questions the definition of the 'nucleus' of a galaxy, explaining that it is not well-defined and historically referred to the bright point at the galaxy's center, which is often unresolved.
  • A later reply indicates that significant star formation is occurring in the central regions of some spiral galaxies, citing the presence of new star clusters and gas that can lead to star formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of star formation in the nucleus versus the spiral arms, with some asserting that star formation is absent in the nucleus while others provide evidence of ongoing star formation in central regions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and conditions of star formation in these areas.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in defining the 'nucleus' of a galaxy and understanding the specific conditions that affect star formation rates in different regions. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of observational data and theoretical models.

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In the nucleus of a spiral galaxy the most stars are old population II stars, and there is no star formation (which occurs in the spiral arms). Why?

Thanks.
 
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With respect to the no star formation, I've found this explanation

"The strong tidal forces created by the supermassive black hole require material to have a larger than normal density in order for it to collapse from its own gravity. The rate of the cloud collapse is further restricted by the larger than normal magnetic fields which permeate throughout the galactic center. Finally, the material at the galactic center contains a larger amount of metals (all atoms besides hydrogen or helium) than the rest of the galactic disk. This increase in metallicity impedes the collapse of the star since the material has an large opacity which prevents energy from escaping the collapsing cloud."
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~tanner/gcsf.html#SF
Hope it helps
 
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Vey interesting http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~tanner/pictures/gc_1meter_big.gif Meteor
 
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hellfire said:
In the nucleus of a spiral galaxy the most stars are old population II stars, and there is no star formation (which occurs in the spiral arms). Why?

Thanks.
Some clarifications ... the 'nucleus' of a galaxy - spiral or otherwise - isn't a particularly well defined region. Historically, it meant something like 'the bright point we see on images, at the apparent centre of the galaxy; it's too small to resolve, so we don't know what's really there' Some astronomers made (then) very tricky observations of the radial brightness and colour profiles of the central few arcsec of nearby galaxies; these days the VLT, Hubble, etc make nice images of what older astronomers could 'see' only as a fuzzball. The central part of a spiral is the 'bulge', which varies in size from tiny (in Sc spirals) to huge (in Sa and lenticulars); it is the bulge which is comprised of Population II stars.

As the link which meteor provided makes very clear, lots of star formation is occurring in the central few hundred pc of the Milky Way; an interesting finding is that new clusters (Arches, Quintuplet) seem to contain large numbers of quite massive stars (e.g. the Pistol Star). Indeed, the central parts of many spirals clearly contain lots of gas, from which new stars may form!
 

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