Feynman Lectures, Chapter 24: Transients

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The discussion revolves around the concepts presented in Chapter 24 of the Feynman Lectures, specifically focusing on the energy of a forced oscillator as described in the equations. Participants explore the mathematical derivations and implications of the power equation related to forced oscillators.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the derivation of the power equation for a forced oscillator and its relation to the energy terms presented in the text.
  • Another participant applies the chain rule to express the derivative of kinetic energy in terms of velocity and acceleration, leading to a clearer understanding of the terms involved.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the clarification and expresses newfound understanding.
  • Further inquiries are made about the transition from the power equation to the energy expression, questioning how the factor of 1/2 and the squared velocity term arise.
  • Participants discuss the standard form of the expression involving velocity and acceleration, with one explaining that it can be rewritten in a way that reveals the factor of 1/2.
  • Another participant reiterates the relationship between the terms and confirms the mathematical pattern that applies to both parts of the equation.
  • Finally, one participant expresses satisfaction in resolving their confusion, crediting others for their assistance in clarifying the concepts.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical manipulations involved but do not reach a consensus on the initial derivation steps or the specific reasoning behind the appearance of certain terms. The discussion remains exploratory with multiple perspectives on the derivation process.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various mathematical assumptions and manipulations that may depend on participants' interpretations of the equations. Some steps in the derivation are not fully resolved, leaving room for further clarification.

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Hello everyone!

A question came up as I was reading Chapter 24 of the Feynman Lectures book. To more specific, it's the comments after Eq. (24.2) on the first section---called "the energy of an oscillator". I don't quite get it.

Thank you very much! :smile:

"Now let us consider the energy in a forced oscillator. The equation for the forced oscillator is
[tex]m\frac{d^2 x}{dt^2}+\gamma m \frac{dx}{dt}+m\omega _0 ^2 x = F(t).[/tex] (24.1)

In our problem, of course, [tex]F(t)[/tex] is a cosine function of [tex]t[/tex]. Now let us analyse the situation: how much work is done by the outside force [tex]F[/tex]? The work done by the force per second, i.e., the power, is the force times the velocity. [tex]\Big([/tex]We know that the differential work in a time [tex]t[/tex] is [tex]F dx[/tex], and the power is [tex]F\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex].[tex]\Big)[/tex] Thus

[tex]P=F\frac{dx}{dt}=m\left[\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)\left(\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}\right)+\omega _0 ^2 x\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right) \right]+\gamma m\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2 .[/tex] (24.2)

But the first two terms on the right can also be written as
[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\left[\frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2 +\frac{1}{2}m\omega _0 ^2 x^2 \right],[/tex]
as is immediately verifyed by differentiating."
 
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OK, let u = dx/dt. Considering that 1/2 and m are constants, applying the chain rule we can write.

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\left[\frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2 \right] = \frac{1}{2}m\frac{d}{dt}u^2 = \frac{1}{2}m 2 u\frac{du}{dt}[/tex]

but [tex]\frac{du}{dt} = \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}[/tex]

so we wind up with

[tex]m \frac{dx}{dt} \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}[/tex]

The other half of the problem is similar, substitute as needed for clarity and then apply the chain rule.
 
I see... Thanks!

Great... I now understand it.

Thank you so much!
 
Oh... one more thing

Now I see how the last expression can be expanded. But, How did he get it out of Eq. (24.2)?

Thank you.
 
[tex]\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)\left(\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}\right)[/tex] is fairly standard.

If we write u= [tex]\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex], this is just uu'.. but that's just [tex]\frac{1}{2}u^2'[/tex].

In other words, [tex]\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)\left(\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}\right)= \frac{1}{2}\frac{d\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2}{dt}[/tex].
 
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Thanks for your tip, HallsofIvy...

I can understand that it comes down to writing [tex]u\cdot u' .[/tex] The only consequence I can draw from it is that [tex]\frac{dx}{dt}\frac{d\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)}{dt}[/tex]. My point is... How does the [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex] factor and [tex]\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2[/tex] appear in [tex]\frac{1}{2}\frac{d\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2}{dt}[/tex] if we only have [tex]\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}[/tex] to begin with? How do you find it if you initially have [tex]\frac{dx}{dt}\frac{d\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)}{dt}[/tex]?
 
Let [itex]u = \frac{dx}{dt}[/itex]. Now
[tex]\frac{d(\frac{1}{2} u^2)}{du} = u[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{2} \frac{d({\frac{dx}{dt})^2}}{dt} = \frac{du}{dt} \frac{d({\frac{1}{2} u^2)}{du} = \frac{du}{dt} u = \frac{\frac{dx}{dt}}{dt} \frac{dx}{dt} = \frac{d^2{x}}{{dt}^2} \frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]
 
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I finally get it!

The pattern [tex]g \frac {dg}{dt} = \frac {1}{2} \frac {d g^2}{dt}[/tex] fits for both terms. I finally worked it out. Thanks to HallsofIvy, speeding electron, and Tide for all the help!
 

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