Prove E > V(min) in Schroedinger Equation

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The discussion centers on proving that the energy E must exceed the minimum value of the potential V(x) for all normalizable solutions to the Schrödinger equation. Participants explore the implications of E being less than V(min) and the conditions under which the wave function remains normalizable.

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  • One participant proposes to show that if E < V(min), the wave function cannot be normalizable by examining the normalization condition and taking derivatives.
  • Another participant suggests solving the Schrödinger equation under the condition E - V < 0, leading to a differential equation with a positive coefficient that results in solutions involving exponential functions, which diverge at infinity, indicating an unphysical state.
  • A question is raised about whether a general proof exists that if a function and its second derivative are always the same sign, the function cannot be normalizable, relating this to the case of E < V(min).
  • A follow-up response discusses the behavior of functions with the same sign for the function and its second derivative, suggesting that such functions will grow without limit as x approaches positive or negative infinity.

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Participants express various approaches to the problem, but no consensus is reached on a definitive proof or method. Multiple viewpoints and methods are presented without resolution of the disagreement.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the behavior of wave functions and their derivatives, as well as the implications of potential energy in quantum mechanics. Specific mathematical steps and conditions are not fully resolved.

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I'm trying to prove that E must exceed the minimum value of V(x) for all normalizable solutions to the Schroed. eq. To do this I am going to show that in the case E < V(min), the wave function is not normalizable. Naturally I began with the normalization condition: int(|phi|^2)=1 and started taking derivatives on this. However, I cannot arrive at a contradiction. Any thoughts? Or any other ways to show the same result? Thanks.
 
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emob2p said:
I'm trying to prove that E must exceed the minimum value of V(x) for all normalizable solutions to the Schroed. eq. To do this I am going to show that in the case E < V(min), the wave function is not normalizable. Naturally I began with the normalization condition: int(|phi|^2)=1 and started taking derivatives on this. However, I cannot arrive at a contradiction. Any thoughts? Or any other ways to show the same result? Thanks.

this is just of the top of my head here, but you need to solve the schrödinger equation with the fact that E - V < 0. I am going to assume that you know how to solve second order differential equations so when you solve :

(-h'²/2m * f'' + V * f) = E * f (f is the wavefunction, f" is the second derivative and h' is h devided by 2 * pi)

you get : f" - (2m/h'²)*(V - E)f = 0 and the coëfficiënt (let's call this k²)of f is positive here so the solutions will be a superposition of exp(kx) and exp(-kx). So k² = (2m/h'²)(V-E) and the equation becomes f" = k²f

Now try searching for infinities : when x goes to the positive infinity one of the two exponential will become infinite and the same will occur when x goes to the negative infinite. We are not able to find a solution that is finite everywhere this this corresponds to an unphysical state...

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marlon
 
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Is there a way to prove in general if a function and its second derivative are always the same sign, then the function is not normalizalbe since this is essentially the case with E < V(min)?
 
emob2p said:
Is there a way to prove in general if a function and its second derivative are always the same sign, then the function is not normalizalbe since this is essentially the case with E < V(min)?

Well,
Just plot any function f with these two properties. You will clearly see that |f| will always "grow" without limit when x goes to either the positive or negative infinity. When f and f" > 0 then f will be concave upwards and if they are negative then f will be concave downwards...just check this out...
and suppose that f is zero in some point x then this point is also zero for the second derivative meaning that the function will go from convex (under the x-axis) to concave (above the x-axis)...the switch happens in the point x

marlon
 

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