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| Nov11-10, 02:11 PM | #1 |
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heat capacity of an ideal gas
When using the equipartition theorem to derive the heat capacity of an ideal gas, you have
[tex]\left\langle H \right\rangle=\left\langle \frac{1}{2}m\left(v^{2}_{x}+v^{2}_{y}+v^{2}_{z} \right) \right\rangle[/tex] and each degree of freedom contributes 1/2 kT to the total energy and 1/2 k to the total heat capacity, hence the total heat capacity is 3/2 k N . My question is, why doesn't the Hamiltonian include the rotational energy? Is this what we mean by "ideal gas"? But even if it is an idealized approximation, why then should it give applicable real-world results when applied to real gases that presumably have rotational energies? There must be a deeper physical reason why we can discard rotational energy when dealing with gases. |
| Nov11-10, 05:59 PM | #2 |
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This is considering just a monoatomic gas, such as any of the noble gases. For a diatomic gas you would include rotational kinetic energy, and it would end up adding an additional Nk to the heat capacity since there are two internal angles to specify the orientation of a diatomic molecule.
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| Nov11-10, 06:42 PM | #3 |
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But cannot a single atom rotate on its own axis like a top?
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| Nov11-10, 06:46 PM | #4 |
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heat capacity of an ideal gas
Nope. Though the reasons are pretty deep in quantum.
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| Nov11-10, 07:02 PM | #5 |
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Well it would be nice to have some reference to those reasons :)
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| Jul17-12, 02:20 PM | #6 |
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Classically, one can rotate an atom by rotating the position of its electrons. However, quantum mechanics dominates on the atomic scale. The position of an electron in a single atoms is indeterminate according to the uncertainty principle. Therefore, you can't rotate the electron around the atom. So you can't really rotate the atom. |
| Jul18-12, 06:43 AM | #7 |
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As the nucleus is nearly a point particle, the low lying rotational excitations of an atom are rotations of the electrons around the nucleus and typically correspond to electronic transitions in the range of several eV. Hence they cannot be excited at ordinary temperatures.
E.g. in the case of a hydrogen atom, the first rotational excited state is an electron in the 2p orbital. The 1s - 2p energy difference is 3/4 * 13.6 eV=10.2 eV. This corresponds a temperature of about 100000 K. |
| Jul20-12, 11:10 AM | #8 |
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Can I ask how you calculated that 1s to 2p energy difference?
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| Jul20-12, 04:14 PM | #9 |
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